Full tilt vs Pokerstars / affiliate rakeback vs directly rakeback

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Personally i dont find the reason to pay a percentage of my rake to a third party like an affiliate. i find more straight and not 'under the table' for the Full Tilt to give a 30% rakeback for example to everyone and not an 27% via an affiliate who gets the rest.An affiliate work is to find players for poker and not for rakeback and to get a fixed amount for his effort,like on pokerstars. must not have connection with the rakeback a site decides to give on the players.that would make i think very easier and clear the things for us as poker players and let us play poker and not searching ,change accounts,give a percentage of our rakeback at a third party etc. Pokerstars is doing that and it is the biggest room right now. So is any + third parties get money in their pockets and out of the poker pool in a passive way? Where is the + on that? i would like to see affiliates who bring new poker players and not make their profits from the players already exist.
i would like to hear your opinions and thoughts.

[DiamondRB]

In theory your point is valid. Rakeback affiliates only came to existance becauase the poker sites wanted to give the knowledgeable players incentive to play with them while at the same time keeping the new players in the dark as to the fact they can get rakeback.

It is for this reason we will never see the majority of sites give rakeback directly to players. Stars does it however unless you are Elite the rate of return you can not compare to some of the deals floating around at other sites (even FT) these days.

Therefore for the average player (someone who will never be able to attain Elite status at Stars) the clear choice would be a site that offers rakeback at a better rate (whether thats FT or not is irrelevant).

[RakeBackDirect]

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In theory your point is valid. Rakeback affiliates only came to existance becauase the poker sites wanted to give the knowledgeable players incentive to play with them while at the same time keeping the new players in the dark as to the fact they can get rakeback.

It is for this reason we will never see the majority of sites give rakeback directly to players. Stars does it however unless you are Elite the rate of return you can not compare to some of the deals floating around at other sites (even FT) these days.

Therefore for the average player (someone who will never be able to attain Elite status at Stars) the clear choice would be a site that offers rakeback at a better rate (whether thats FT or not is irrelevant).

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agreed, and also do not leave out the fact that affiliates really help to promote certain poker sites...promotion and advertising that otherwise would need to come directly from the poker site itself. Most poker sites need help with advertising and promotion and are willing to "pay" some of the rake generated by new players back to affilaites and players in exchange for the advertising help.

[DiamondRB]

Yes good point rakebackdirect. Affiliate commissions are basically a marketing expense for these sites. From a marketing standpoint it is much more effective than hit and miss ad campaings are by paying affiliates they are gaining access to a direct market of active players.

[demon102]

full tilt can suck my balls cuz I have no rb there,


that is all

[gameplay]

is it unfair which is happen to demon102 now or not? i find it extremely unfair.
about the pokerstars rakeback the poll above is NOT about the percentages and if full tilt has better rakeback than pokerstars but simple if it is directly or by an affiliate.
on pokerstars it is 8%-28% +15% from freerolls.

i know and understand your point rakebackdirect but really i dont think that the affiliate sites promote poker because simple a new player doesnt even know them. they simple promote himselfs on the players already exist which makes no good for noone. if they get their profit from the new players and a fixed amount about that,then it is real affiliating,the current is not. in other words i think the same advertise by the affiliates can be done with a fixed amount payable to them for new players and not the affiliate rakeback throw them.
In reality i think the main reason a lot of sites keeps doing that way the rakeback is that they want the new players (fishes) who dont know about rakeback to lose all their money without any rakeback for the site's profit. otherwise if they got rakeback the site would have made less money from them fishes till busting because they will bust out from the better players and not from the rake!
So all that works against the poker players and simple increase the sites profits! (bust out the without rakeback fishes from the rake and not from the better players)
sorry for the not so good english but i think you understand the point.