I have to improve my turn play...

[Nick Royale]

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If you don't bet the turn, aren't you missing value when do you hit?

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We bet to get him to fold, with low FE a turn bet is essetially worthless. If we bet the turn, hit the flush and make a decent VB on the river he might very well toss his Ax figuring he's not ahead of anything. And if that's the case we've induced him to play his hand correctly. If we check the turn he'll have a hard time getting away from Ax if we hit (he'll at least b/f or c/c).

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If we played the hand OOP, we definitely bet the turn, correct?

[modnareno]

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If you don't bet the turn, aren't you missing value when do you hit?

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Depends on the villain. Hero does not have a lot of FE against an unknown with an ace here. If hero thinks villain can lay down a weak ace to a 2nd barrel then he shoudl bet.



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I think him calling the turn with an ace is fine. it means you get to make a much much larger bet on the river when you do hit. So even though you might be losing some equity in your turn bet, the extra money you can bet on the river when you hit makes up for it.

At least that is the idea, a bunch of math would have to be done to show which plan is better.


Also, if he bet/calls with an ace on the river, then it is definitely much better to check the turn.

[Nick Royale]

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If you don't bet the turn, aren't you missing value when do you hit?

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Depends on the villain. Hero does not have a lot of FE against an unknown with an ace here. If hero thinks villain can lay down a weak ace to a 2nd barrel then he shoudl bet.



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I think him calling the turn with an ace is fine. it means you get to make a much much larger bet on the river when you do hit. So even though you might be losing some equity in your turn bet, the extra money you can bet on the river when you hit makes up for it.

At least that is the idea, a bunch of math would have to be done to show which plan is better.


Also, if he bet/calls with an ace on the river, then it is definitely much better to check the turn.

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Problem being if he has Ax he'll have a hard time calling big river bets, esp when the flush hits. And if he actually has a big hand you'll often get check/raised on the turn.

[gimmetheloot]

Guys, prob a stupid question, but...

If we think he is calling here(and river) with a bare ace, and we have 14 outs, is it OK to bet the turn for like ~22 or something to shove the river when we hit and check when we miss?

ie we have a PSB on the river. We have NO FE.
Is it still profitable to bet the turn knowing that? I feel like I use it as an excuse to double barrel lol.

[4_2_it]

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Guys, prob a stupid question, but...

If we think he is calling here(and river) with a bare ace, and we have 14 outs, is it OK to bet the turn for like ~22 or something to shove the river when we hit and check when we miss?

ie we have a PSB on the river. We have NO FE.
Is it still profitable to bet the turn knowing that? I feel like I use it as an excuse to double barrel lol.

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How often is villain calling down three streets with a weak ace on a drawy board? If he will fold the river some decent % of the time when hero hits his hand, hero is better off checking the turn and getting the bet on the river with a made hand.

This really becomes a math problem. Where's that damn pokey when you need him?

[Nick Royale]

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Guys, prob a stupid question, but...

If we think he is calling here(and river) with a bare ace, and we have 14 outs, is it OK to bet the turn for like ~22 or something to shove the river when we hit and check when we miss?

ie we have a PSB on the river. We have NO FE.
Is it still profitable to bet the turn knowing that? I feel like I use it as an excuse to double barrel lol.

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If we assume we have no FE, he never c/r turn and we'll win a psb on the river no matter if we bet the turn or not:

Bet turn: 0.33*85 - 0.67*22 = +$13
Check turn: 27.5*0.33 = +$9

[criminaldave]

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I shoved the turn and was called by AJo. I hit a flush on the river to stack him.

Really spewy against an unknown, i know, hence the post.

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THIS IS SUPER SPEWY, what made you decide to push all in so big way overbetting the pot? I am more likely to fold an ace to a normal bet than a push here since it looks so bluffy. If you mix this play in with big bets with monsters I guess this might be somewhat okay but I hate the huge overbet, it gives away your hand alot.

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I often do this with monsters and get a lot of action because it looks so bluffy. At the time there were 3 regulars on the table and against them i think my play is fine because I am just as likely to have them crushed. However, this guy was unknown and therefore my play is not good and the reason why I posted. I find that the vast majority of the mistakes I make in poker happen on the turn. This was one of them. As for why I did it this time? I guess because I am running insanely hot just now and I took a rush of blood to my head.

[bi11 frist]

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If we played the hand OOP, we definitely bet the turn, correct?

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can someone answer this, i think its very interesting. my first instinct is to bet this turn oop, but i think a turn raise from villian is more likely than a craise, and getting raised off our strong draw sucks.

[Nick Royale]

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If we played the hand OOP, we definitely bet the turn, correct?

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can someone answer this, i think its very interesting. my first instinct is to bet this turn oop, but i think a turn raise from villian is more likely than a craise, and getting raised off our strong draw sucks.

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Oop I make some kind of bet. Either a blocking bet for a little more than 1/2 pot or a bigger bet if I expect him to be able to fold Ax.