Online Cheating (What Do You Think?) - Page 3

gedanken · #21 07-16-2007, 01:19 AM

read Poker Protection - Cheating and the World of Poker by Steve Forte for a much more balanced and informed analysis of the dangers. You can tell by the title of this book that Marcus, or at least his publishers, are alarmists just trying to make a buck off your fears.

I think it makes sense to be aware of how cheating works so you'll recognize it as Harv did. I've talked to a few semipros who know the basics and they all agree that two or more players smart enough to collude well would make more money simply playing solid poker at two separate tables. Collusion and other cheating is much more important when it's hard to find a game.

The sites can easily monitor tables for players who play each other a lot, and write little programs to analyze betting patterns... Online is probably much safer than B&M.

resboard · #22 07-16-2007, 09:16 AM

I read a few of the threads and i have to agree with the general consenus about cheating being hard. BUT from my experience as a programmer and my previous experience as a bulk e-mailer, i can tell you it is possible to trojan tons of players and see all of their cards, and no one would know the difference.

gedanken · #23 07-16-2007, 11:12 PM

I wonder how hard it is for the casino to monitor players and recognize someone making money off such a scheme.

Sure lots of players make crazy random plays, but we really only need to look at the consistent winners with lots of hands. If we see an aggression factor that plummets on those hands that (the casino knows) a player is behind with, maybe we do some careful sniffing. And that's just the first test that comes to mind.

Remember that our entire hand history is on a hard drive for analysis at any time.

How effective do you think casino pattern-detection routines are?

Greg Miller · #24 07-28-2007, 11:55 PM

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I read a few of the threads and i have to agree with the general consenus about cheating being hard. BUT from my experience as a programmer and my previous experience as a bulk e-mailer, i can tell you it is possible to trojan tons of players and see all of their cards, and no one would know the difference.

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I'm digging up a slightly old thread here, but let's apply common sense. If you have players' computers trojaned, why would you use that to cheat at poker? Why wouldn't you do what the "odds calculator" trojans have already done to people, and simply steal their money directly from their e-wallet systems? or their banks? credit cards? or use their personal info to steal their identities?

Realistically, collusion is the only one you hear about because it's the only practical idea for cheating that people have come up with so far.

jordiepop · #25 07-29-2007, 04:26 AM

collusion happens all the time. i have a few friends who live in my building, and i always transfer them small amounts of money. one night the 3 of them all sat in the same sng. i thought it was pretty gross, and if they are doing it im sure thousands of people are.

riverruss · #26 07-29-2007, 06:31 AM

Just make sure you wear your Tinfoil Hat when playing. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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cheburashka · #28 07-29-2007, 06:50 AM

If you go to the MTT Community forum, there are a couple of huge threads about cheating. These are the guys who play for serious money and whose living depends on poker, so I'm more inclined to listen to them than to speculate.

What they are worried about are (1) multi-accounting and (2) staking. In multi-accounting, one person enters a tournament numerous times under different accounts, giving him a better chance that one of the accounts will go deep in the tourney. In staking, the pro stakes a bunch of people to enter a tourney, and then he takes over the game hen one of the stakees makes it deep.

Although there is a small bit of worry that the multi-accounters will be able to have more than one account at a table and thus be able to collude, that is definitely not the main thing.

And no one (and again, these are guys whose lives depend on poker) seems particularly worried about getting ripped off by hackers looking at their cards.

Greg Miller · #29 08-02-2007, 02:37 AM

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If you go to the MTT Community forum, there are a couple of huge threads about cheating. These are the guys who play for serious money and whose living depends on poker, so I'm more inclined to listen to them than to speculate.

What they are worried about are (1) multi-accounting and (2) staking. In multi-accounting, one person enters a tournament numerous times under different accounts, giving him a better chance that one of the accounts will go deep in the tourney. In staking, the pro stakes a bunch of people to enter a tourney, and then he takes over the game hen one of the stakees makes it deep.

Although there is a small bit of worry that the multi-accounters will be able to have more than one account at a table and thus be able to collude, that is definitely not the main thing.

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So I assume we're talking about situations where there simply aren't other tournaments of similar stakes available to play with sufficient frequency?

RichardHurtz · #30 08-02-2007, 11:22 AM

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I read this book on the back of "the great casino heist (UK title, think it was American Roulette in USA)), and was very dissapointed. The book was badly written and contained no real interesting content.
As for the "peeker" software, im sure that it has existed but would be nearly impossible to pull off now

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When large sums of money are involved you can be guaranteed that someone has found a way to cheat.