lol @ river action

[Lordy]

I really have no clue how donks play on deep tables, are people really getting 200bb in on the river with worse than 76 here ?

[aislephive]

I shove this, too likely he is overplaying trips or maybe 67. Besides, with these stacks shoving is basically a minreraise, so even if we're beat we can't lose much more on the hand anyways.

[Austiger]

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with these stacks shoving is basically a minreraise, so even if we're beat we can't lose much more on the hand anyways.

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This is completely irrelevant. (And since when is 60 BBs not much more?)

[13_Xerxes]

I call. 76/KK (very possible from a maniac like this one)/K6so...

But he is commited to the pot, after his 4 bets river, so he must call with any 6...

Grrrr !!! Push/rebuy looks good [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Nielsio]

Probably noone has noticed the following:


There are no combinations of Q6s and K6s left in the deck. There is one 76s left (clubs).

That leaves KK/QQ (wayyy unlikely). 77, K6o and Q6o. And there is only one 6 left in the deck ofcourse, 2 queens and 3 kings.



Board: 6h 7s Kc 6d Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.364% 27.27% 09.09% 3 1.00 { Qs6s }
Hand 1: 63.636% 54.55% 09.09% 6 1.00 { 77, 7c6c, K6o, Q6o, 76o }


If you shift that towards 77 and 76s/o then you're more closely to 50/50, but not quite, because:


Board: 6h 7s Kc 6d Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.000% 50.00% 00.00% 3 0.00 { Qs6s }
Hand 1: 50.000% 50.00% 00.00% 3 0.00 { 77, 7c6c, 76o }



So I suggest a call and be prepared to lose a bunch.

[bilbo-san]

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if he can play AA/KK/AK/77 like this we need to incl QQ as well.

[/ QUOTE ] well, I disagree here...lots of people will slowplay KK/AA but be afraid to see overs with QQ.

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and if he is calling with any 6, is our equity so much worse versus his range on a "blank" river?

[/ QUOTE ]ehh good pt, I dunno, but we don't beat 76 anymore and I think thats a large part of his range. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Last time I checked my cheat card, 666QQ beats 66677. What does your cheat card say?

[bilbo-san]

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with these stacks shoving is basically a minreraise, so even if we're beat we can't lose much more on the hand anyways.

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This is completely irrelevant. (And since when is 60 BBs not much more?)

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It's not even close to irrelevant. Villain isn't going to fold a 6, especially 76, getting like 5:1. I hate it when people say things like "better hands call, worse hands fold" and stupid [censored] without conssidering stack sizes. If we had a lot more left on the river then not re-opening the action (or not making a bet that villain can't call) would be very good arguments. When our push is a minraise, then those are two really terrible arguments.

[Austiger]

bilbo-san- You just misread two posts in a row. Congratulations.

[Casper05]

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if he can play AA/KK/AK/77 like this we need to incl QQ as well.

[/ QUOTE ] well, I disagree here...lots of people will slowplay KK/AA but be afraid to see overs with QQ.

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and if he is calling with any 6, is our equity so much worse versus his range on a "blank" river?

[/ QUOTE ]ehh good pt, I dunno, but we don't beat 76 anymore and I think thats a large part of his range. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Last time I checked my cheat card, 666QQ beats 66677. What does your cheat card say?

[/ QUOTE ]yay I have the same cheat card as you, but I read better! jk, I was responding to CAterp's question about a non-Q river.

[bilbo-san]

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bilbo-san- You just misread two posts in a row. Congratulations.

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Explain how I misread the second one?

Are you talking about the 2 or 3 paragraph explanation for why your statement is true that you just left out because you thought it was obvious?