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Old 07-05-2007, 06:46 PM
RRizGod RRizGod is offline
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Default Re: fold or push? late in 16$

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I'd say you are pushing tight.


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i might be wrong but pushing with T9 is imo a bluff you might as well push ATC because he's not calling with anything below T9
i tought you should be playing tight on the bubble

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no, you push loose and call tight on the bubble. Of course you don't want to get called when you push with 10-9.
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:47 PM
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Default Re: fold or push? late in 16$

with what hand would you have called this push in the BB?
And why not push ATC then?
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:52 PM
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Default Re: fold or push? late in 16$

thats the point, you should be willing to push just about ATC.

Probably can call with most 77+ or AJ+ Maybe even wider. Just guessing off the top of my head.
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:02 PM
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Default Re: fold or push? late in 16$

but if you know someone is willing to push ATC your calling range should be a lot wider right?

especially if you have him covered and a shortstack at the table about to go out.
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:09 PM
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Default Re: fold or push? late in 16$

yes you should, but why risk being left with 900 chips when someone is about to go out?
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:13 PM
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Default Re: fold or push? late in 16$

because you probably have the best hand and if you fold your chances of finishing 1st or 2nd are small and if you double up 2nr place is almost certain
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:30 PM
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Default Re: fold or push? late in 16$

its a very clear push to me now. if i studied a little more math, with the range of calling hands i had him on... i would have shipped them in in a second. just needed Kevin to point that out to me. and thank you for doing so. its an obvious hand to me at least. (now.) thanks, you guys rock.
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:38 PM
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Default Re: fold or push? late in 16$

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Old 07-05-2007, 09:11 PM
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Default Re: fold or push? late in 16$

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but if you know someone is willing to push ATC your calling range should be a lot wider right?

especially if you have him covered and a shortstack at the table about to go out.

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If he loses he only has 910 chips left (1.15BB) and is almost certainly AI on the next hand (his SB) with no FE if he gets to open push. That's a huge risk to take.

BBs calling range has to be very tight here - tighter than if there was no maniac shortie. That's why we can push ATC - we know he's very unlikely to have a hand he can call with.
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Old 07-05-2007, 09:17 PM
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because you probably have the best hand and if you fold your chances of finishing 1st or 2nd are small and if you double up 2nr place is almost certain

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The best hand doesn't always win - check the hand match up for AKo vs 23o:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.977% 65.68% 00.29% 161957160 723564.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 34.023% 33.73% 00.29% 83167488 723564.00 { 32o }


That's a pretty big risk of throwing the tourney away - even with a top hand.
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