utg with 99 or any mid pair for that matter, how do u play this?

[seke2]

I'm with Matt here. Making it 4x just so you cover the shorties is silly. If you make any raise here, they know you aren't folding to a push from them. It's not like the guy with 3140 chips is going to push trash over your raise to 2400 because he thinks you're going to fold to his raise. Don't worry about the shorties when you raise, at all. Worry about not risking too much because you have to fold to a reraise, as a few people have pointed out, and make a standard raise, either 2.5xBB to 3xBB sounds good to me here.

[JARID]

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I don't like a lot of the advice in this thread. I think with 23 BBs this is a standard raise with 99 (as Mingdu said).

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QFT.

[JARID]

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However i guess i am likely to have the best hand on the flop, and u can't do that with any two

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fyp.

[LSgambler]

This is a standard hand, just make a normal raise pre to around 3xBB.

[JoeyJoJo Shabadu]

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It's not like the guy with 3140 chips is going to push trash over your raise to 2400 because he thinks you're going to fold to his raise. Don't worry about the shorties when you raise, at all. Worry about not risking too much because you have to fold to a reraise, as a few people have pointed out, and make a standard raise, either 2.5xBB to 3xBB sounds good to me here.

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Sap/Seke

Then this is where we differ. I DO see shorty coming over top with any ace or any crap hand to gamble too often when short and I know i will in his spot. I am NOT worried about him... no not at all. What I am worried about is another raiser realizing that shorty is gambling and iso-raising us of the hand to go up against shorty alone and taking all the overlay (a move I like myself as big stack). And I hate the bet-fold line enough that I am willing to stick the other 800 to announce that my hand is good enough, to try to defend against the iso-raise/resteal to try making that move more difficult.

I think it works.. you don't.

Oh and sry saps... where did it come from? Having a bitchy day at work I guesss.

[sapsuckah]

In the spot you describe, are you calling the big stack's push?

If not, you're just wasting chips when he pushes. If you are, then I don't really see how the raises are fundamentally different.

So I guess the success of your bigger-raise move hinges on whether a big stack would be less likely to push when you open bigger. I personally think the impact it would have on his reraising range would be minimal, if any. And like I said earlier, I think he may even be more likely to push lighter if there's more dead money in the pot.

And no worries about the snap before. Been there.

[elcastigador]

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Raise standard. Call SS shoves. Fold to raise from most other stacks, unless they are resteal happy.

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QFT

Standurd.