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Old 06-27-2007, 10:41 PM
DefiNe DefiNe is offline
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Default Re: trying that 4bet thing

wow
I'm surrounded by nits
alt+Q 2+2
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:45 PM
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Default Re: trying that 4bet thing

4 betting JJ is fine if you're going to snap call a push. Without a plan of action it's just terrible to turn a solid hand in position into air, since villain is push/folding almost all the time.
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Old 06-27-2007, 11:00 PM
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Default Re: trying that 4bet thing

I end up *calling* a push and he had AK and I won the race. I guess from now on I'll make some of the adjustments that were pointed out in this thread.

Pretty much there is no way around this spot being tough, huh?
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Old 06-27-2007, 11:22 PM
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Default Re: trying that 4bet thing

call the shove...
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Old 06-27-2007, 11:39 PM
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Default Re: trying that 4bet thing

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Stars $1/2. I've got $280ish and I cover the villain, BHold. Pretty aggressive, seems alright.

I raise the CO to $8 with JJ, he makes it $28, I make it $68, he pushes for $155 more.

History: we had been three-betting each other a decent amount and a lot in the past.

So, uh, my gut says fold because I see QQ-AA a lot.

This is why I hate NOT cold calling.

First off is this an alright play by me...secondly should I call?

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4bet is pretty bad here just call the 3bet.
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Old 06-27-2007, 11:40 PM
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ya 4betting with JJ is bad.
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Old 06-27-2007, 11:44 PM
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Default Re: trying that 4bet thing

So, everyone pretty much feels like 4betting with JJ is not great here (I would tend to agree).

But, if you're just flat calling the 3bet OOP with JJ, what's the plan for the hand? Are you just going to c/f any flop with 2 overcards? Checkraising on boards where you're either solely picking off a cbet or raising OOP into the teeth of a big hand doesn't sound great. Donking most boards seems bad. How do you "play poker" here?
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