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06-26-2007, 02:29 AM
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Re: Am I the only non-smoker who thinks \"smoking bans\" are a bunch of
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Am I the only non-smoker who thinks "smoking bans" are a bunch of BS? [/ QUOTE ] No, I believe in private property and freedom of association too. 
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06-26-2007, 04:04 AM
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Re: Am I the only non-smoker who thinks \"smoking bans\" are a bunch of
"Pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness are all individual rights last time I checked."
Yeah, but these rights only go so far if they don't infringe upon other's rights. If second hand smoke is indeed bad, which it is, then it is infringing on the peoples around them right to smoke. (I do agree that this is infringing upon the smoker's rights...like I said, I'm rethinking my views on this, so you may see me jumping all over the place in this thread) "But if it's really private property, then how can they have any say on it? Is it like an advice? " Isn't this like saying, "well...as long as its on private property, slavery is okay, the government has no say." ? What is the difference between these two statements?
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#23
06-26-2007, 05:25 AM
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Re: Am I the only non-smoker who thinks \"smoking bans\" are a bunch of BS?
To me the dressed monkey is hilarious and bizar at the same time.
Imaging a room full of them and one starts farting real loud. This would then be an outrage; especially if he had chili! Yet it would be perfectly acceptable to light up a cigarette and start smoking! It will take at most 10 years and then smoking in the company of non-smokers will be considered unacceptalble even by the smokers themselves.
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#24
06-26-2007, 06:31 AM
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Re: Am I the only non-smoker who thinks \"smoking bans\" are a bunch of
I am a smoker.
I think smoking bans are really a sensible thing to do. They do respect the freedom of all to breathe clean air. Of course, in you own house you can do whatever you want, provided you don't have children. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] PS I smoke in my house, fwiw. PPS I am sure I am not the only smoker that thinks this way.
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#25
06-26-2007, 09:44 AM
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Re: Am I the only non-smoker who thinks \"smoking bans\" are a bunch of
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To me the dressed monkey is hilarious and bizar at the same time. Imaging a room full of them and one starts farting real loud. This would then be an outrage; especially if he had chili! Yet it would be perfectly acceptable to light up a cigarette and start smoking! [/ QUOTE ] ...What? [ QUOTE ] It will take at most 10 years and then smoking in the company of non-smokers will be considered unacceptalble even by the smokers themselves. [/ QUOTE ] The anti-cigarette campaign is just pure genious. Seriously people look down on smokers now with a combination of pity and disgust, its [censored] incredible how that has changed in the last generation.
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#26
06-26-2007, 09:59 AM
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Isn't this like saying, "well...as long as its on private property, slavery is okay, the government has no say." ? What is the difference between these two statements? [/ QUOTE ] Difference is that a slave isn't choosing freely to associate with his master, and can't leave the property if he wants to. One is violently coercive, the other is voluntary association. Can you really not see any relevant moral differences between a property owner deciding whether or not guests/customers on his property are allowed to smoke and slavery? Are you just being willfully obtuse?
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06-26-2007, 10:19 AM
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Re: Am I the only non-smoker who thinks \"smoking bans\" are a bunch of
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"But if it's really private property, then how can they have any say on it? Is it like an advice? " Isn't this like saying, "well...as long as its on private property, slavery is okay, the government has no say." ? What is the difference between these two statements? [/ QUOTE ] No, you can leave anytime you like.
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#29
06-26-2007, 11:37 AM
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100% in favor of the smoking bans. [/ QUOTE ] Is this an ad-hoc preference, or are you comfortable applying the reasoning you use to arrive at this position to analogous/partially analogous situations? For example, what are you views on banning trans-fats? Muhammad cartoons? Flatulence?
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#30
06-26-2007, 12:05 PM
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Re: Am I the only non-smoker who thinks \"smoking bans\" are a bunch of
I am now an ex smoker for the last 3 months and I still think the rules are bull [censored]. For all of the non smokers that bring up the health issue, I propose a fat tax. If you are over 20% of the weight recommended for your body style, then you should be taxed because you are a walking health hazard. And while we are at it, why don't we tax SUV's and pickup trucks at a higher rate because they put out more noxious emissions. People who have gas problems--you get taxed too for contributing to global warming.
These rules are [censored] absurd--where does it end.
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