40/80NL 350+ bb's deep w/ top set

[Ship Ship McGipp]

this is so sick on so many levels

[dlpnyc21]

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Villain is 'TheMightyZep'. We have been playing on a couple tables so far and I haven't seen anything ridiculous and we haven't really tangled. Comments on all streets please.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $40/$80 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $37,259.00
BB: $21,586.00
Hero (UTG): $29,105.00
MP: $17,881.00
CO: $16,000.00
BTN: $40,490.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $280.00</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls $280.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($680) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $520.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1,840.00</font>, Hero calls $1,320.00

Turn: ($4360) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $3,440.00</font>, Hero calls $3,440.00

River: ($11240) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $10,240.00</font>

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from what i played with him he is very loose/passive, and i play the hand exactly like you would and fold the river. bloating a pot on the flop like this that deep with the 2nd nuts.

that said, you have a somewhat more reckless image than me, so if i were you i would consider cring turn and getting it in. on the river i chk/fold.

dlpnyc21

[TheWorstPlayer]

Does anyone else think he's much more likely to bet the turn with the nuts than with a flush draw on this board? Seems like you'll be check/raising on the turn much more often than you're check/folding so it's not a good spot for him to semi-bluff. And his bet is a little under pot, too, perhaps enticing you to check/raise. Then on the river, his bet is much closer to pot (for the first time) which from many players means they don't want to get check/raised, so they bet big so that they can 'easily' fold if you do push since they won't have enticed it with a small bet.

Therefore, does anyone like a c/r bluff push on the river to get him to fold KQ? Obviously I'd like it a lot better if it were AcJhTh flop, but I still think a hand like flush draw + pair + gutshot or maybe flush draw + double gutter is possible for us on this board...

[howzit]

your hand really is under represented and although it's close, i think it woudl be common he's valuebetting another set or two pair in this spot. since you can't have the flush here, i think it's easier for him to valuebet 2nd best hands. marginal call.

for betting patterns, i like TWP's analysis that a close to PSB from the button makes it easier for him to release while still extracting value with stacks still deep.

and i don't like a turn crai since it'll be for about 23k more into 11k pot.

[dlpnyc21]

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from what i played with him he is very loose/passive, and i play the hand exactly like you would and fold the river. bloating a pot on the flop like this that deep with the 2nd nuts.

that said, you have a somewhat more reckless image than me, so if i were you i would consider cring turn and getting it in. on the river i chk/fold.

dlpnyc21

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edit: bloating pot on flop is not that great of an idea this deep. out of curosity, what was your plan for:

1) a board pairing river: I assume cr?
2) a non-heart river: i assume lead/fold or chk-call?
3) a one-card straight river: chk-fold?

[FoxwoodsFiend]

If you're not willing to stack off with top set of AA for 350 BBs you should either not be playing 350 BBs deep or not play AA.

[Go_Blue88]

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If you're not willing to stack off with top set of AA for 350 BBs you should either not be playing 350 BBs deep or not play AA.

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i never understand logic like this. so coming from you i assume ur joking? ok great

[Triumph36]

dlpnyc:

you realize you're putting him on exactly KQ if he is loose-passive, right?

[dlpnyc21]

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dlpnyc:

you realize you're putting him on exactly KQ if he is loose-passive, right?

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yeah, why not? i think he is more likely to have these hands than sets, so IMO it's either combo draw or nutters, both of which look ugly on river.

[grando]

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If you're not willing to stack off with top set of AA for 350 BBs you should either not be playing 350 BBs deep or not play AA.

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lol