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#24
06-21-2007, 10:36 PM
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Re: WSOP $3k Decision vs. Howard Lederer
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His 3bet is pretty small. I probably call. [/ QUOTE ] The small reraise and the fact that HL didn't look at OP might be tells. If you think HL may have a big pair, fold, don't call. 
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#25
06-21-2007, 10:50 PM
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Re: WSOP $3k Decision vs. Howard Lederer
soooo i think this is a fold? whys everyone tryin to go nuts on howard here? edit: btw with the action the previous hands/orbits, i think open limping CO here sounds fine.
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#26
06-21-2007, 11:20 PM
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Re: WSOP $3k Decision vs. Howard Lederer
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I don't see how calling can be good unless you're shoving over a c-bet on every flop. [/ QUOTE ] we have a hand that'll hit some nice number of flops (probably around 40%) and are getting > 2:1 on the call. you can c/f every flop that misses you and the call is still not even that bad/sometimes he'll check behind when he whiffs his resteal/some other times you'll decide to make a play, get called and river a three outer. it's not like seeing a flop is the worst thing in the world and/or we have something entirely unplayable, and it's also not like we particularly love shoving. see a freaking flop and check dark (but don't say you are), it won't kill you. also, if we open limp ATs here solely because we're terrified of Lederer, we're probably getting destroyed, too.
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#27
06-21-2007, 11:23 PM
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Re: WSOP $3k Decision vs. Howard Lederer
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soooo i think this is a fold? whys everyone tryin to go nuts on howard here? edit: btw with the action the previous hands/orbits, i think open limping CO here sounds fine. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think this is an unexploitable shove or anything. I think that it's a good shove against someone who's at least half competent and thinks we're some random live player.
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#28
06-21-2007, 11:30 PM
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Re: WSOP $3k Decision vs. Howard Lederer
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[ QUOTE ] I don't see how calling can be good unless you're shoving over a c-bet on every flop. [/ QUOTE ] we have a hand that'll hit some nice number of flops (probably around 40%) and are getting > 2:1 on the call. you can c/f every flop that misses you and the call is still not even that bad/sometimes he'll check behind when he whiffs his resteal/some other times you'll decide to make a play, get called and river a three outer. it's not like seeing a flop is the worst thing in the world and/or we have something entirely unplayable, and it's also not like we particularly love shoving. see a freaking flop and check dark (but don't say you are), it won't kill you. also, if we open limp ATs here solely because we're terrified of Lederer, we're probably getting destroyed, too. [/ QUOTE ] Ummm... we have position? Which obviously helps the case for calling, but just mentioning it because it appears you think we're first to act post-flop, which we aren't.
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#29
06-21-2007, 11:33 PM
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Re: WSOP $3k Decision vs. Howard Lederer
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't see how calling can be good unless you're shoving over a c-bet on every flop. [/ QUOTE ] we have a hand that'll hit some nice number of flops (probably around 40%) and are getting > 2:1 on the call. you can c/f every flop that misses you and the call is still not even that bad/sometimes he'll check behind when he whiffs his resteal/some other times you'll decide to make a play, get called and river a three outer. it's not like seeing a flop is the worst thing in the world and/or we have something entirely unplayable, and it's also not like we particularly love shoving. see a freaking flop and check dark (but don't say you are), it won't kill you. also, if we open limp ATs here solely because we're terrified of Lederer, we're probably getting destroyed, too. [/ QUOTE ] Ummm... we have position? Which obviously helps the case for calling, but just mentioning it because it appears you think we're first to act post-flop, which we aren't. [/ QUOTE ] yeah I thought HL was the button. if he's the BB, wow, this isn't even close.
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#30
06-21-2007, 11:33 PM
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Re: WSOP $3k Decision vs. Howard Lederer
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also, if we open limp ATs here solely because we're terrified of Lederer, we're probably getting destroyed, too. [/ QUOTE ] what do you mean terrified of Lederer? I think i'm the only one that suggested it, so it feels like you're putting words in my mouth. If action from the previous hands shows we're likely to get played back at, when we don't want to see a reraise (even if we can call one profitably, just doesnt seem like efficient building of the pot), I don't see how we're getting 'destroyed' by open limping. edit: if lederer was the button, i'd like open limping much less.
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