Hatton/Castillo 6/23

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Mayweather Eats Hatton for Lunch. I hope that fight happens so I can unload on Floyd.


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Haha, I would wait to see the line before you say that. You would probably have to lay some pretty serious chalk on FMJ.

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Nice Job Post Oak, you were ON like Donkey Kong on this fight. I hope you cashed a nice ticket.


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Eh, not really. I didn't realize just how shot Castillo was. Otherwise I would have bet a lot more. Of course, hindsight is 20-20. That fight was a real letdown. I was expecting much more action.


One fight I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on is Gatti-Gomez. I am already on Gatti, but this is kind of a strange fight.

Gatti is shopworn, and is fighting a naturally bigger guy. Still, Gomez is only well known because he was on a reality show. He hasn't beaten any top opponents in a real fight format (i.e. not 5 rounders) and he recently drew with Jesse Feliciano.

I haven't been high on Gatti for a long time now (except as a fan of his entertaining wars). His fights with Ward were exhilarating, but Ward was simply never a top fighter. The same goes for his losses to Ivan Robinson.

Still, Gatti has beaten some good competition in recent years. His wins over Ward, Branco, Dorin, Leija and Damgaard are much more than Gomez has come close to accomplishing. Obviously none of those guys were superstars, but they range from very solid to very good and Gatti handled them well (not counting the first Gatti-Ward slugfest). He still doesn't have any terrible losses/draws on his record, and the same can't be said for Gomez.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this semi-freakshow. I'll probably start a thread about this fight, but right now I am too lazy to do one of my rambling, long-winded writeups.

Oh, most of my boxing bets are placed on 5Dimes, Sportsbook or Olympic. Sometimes (not at all often) I get a better line at Bodog or SIA though.

[Tuds75]

First I am hoping the bet-happy english fans will drive the number down some on their boy. I would expect to openin in the Mayweather in the -350 to -400 range, but he will be bet down to about -250 when all is said and done. But enough on that the fight is just being talked about.

Good thing you brought up Gatti/Gomez I have looked at the odds on this fight a few times too. I just feel this might be a trap fight by the odds makers. First thing first what weight is this fight being fought at, I know Gatti is not a 147 guy, but for the show Gomez was at 160-ish, are they meeting at a weight class or is Gomez cutting to 147. If Gatti goes about 147 bet against him. He is like Oscar De La Hoya, the higher in weight class he goes, the less a fighter he becomes. Gatti is best at 140 where he is power puncher at 147 his power is reduced GREATLY.

I don't think Gomez is much of a fighter either, Gomez has yet to be tested by a top fighter. Gatti has been in against the best in his day. Even if he couldn't beat them he still gains a lot from the experience. I am just really torn on this fight, the older better more experienced fighter, or the younger bigger "rawer" fighter.

The only thing I see as being a good bet now is the UNDER on this fight. Its at like +180. I see both guys just letting go (obviously Gatti will) and someone being stopped. I'll look into this fight more since its a few weeks away. Don't forget that night on HBO triple header 3 good fights. There has to be a good bet in there somewhere.

On last note on Castillo/Hatton, Castillo's desire and thus his level as a fighter went down and end more of less after he lost that epic fight to Chico. Look at the facts, he never tried to make weight for the next fight(2nd fight) and was happy to come in as the fresher and bigger fighter to beat Chico. He then putting off trying to make weight thinking Chico would give him another pass to fight, WRONG. Castillo next fight was against a low level opponet, and he looks lackluster. Then he moves up and fights a lesser, but better opponet and fights lackluster again. Then goes into the Hatton fight pretty much washed up. Damn the writing was on the wall. Call it the Mike Tyson-Syndrome, always believing that great fighter will come out one more time. Oh well live and learn.

Tuds

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Gatti-Gomez definitely won't be at 140.

I think it is at 147, but it is very possible they will put it at a catchweight like 150 or even just make it a light middleweight (154) bout.

One important thing to mention is that Gatti is scheduled to fight Julio Caesar Chavez Jnr. (at 147) in AC if he wins this fight. This means there is big money on the line (for Gatti, his promoters and for AC).

Gatti-Gomez is taking place in AC, so you can figure out what that means...

On top of the "follow the money" factor, AC is already like Gatti's hometown. I don't see Gomez getting the benefit of the doubt if it's close.

[Tuds75]

Ya I didn't figure it would be at 140, Gatti has stated in the past he is done at 140. Gatti at 150 is really pushing it for him. If they are fighting at 154, I have to go Gomez. Look what Baldomir (a notorious light hitter) was able to do to Gatti and what Gatti could not do to Baldomir.

I noticed the Julio Ceasar Chavez Jr. fight on Gatti's boxrec page. I take that with a grain of salt (boxrec has been known to get ahead of themselves on future fights). Have you seen the Chavez Jr/Gatti fight on other websites. Gatti will only fight in AC now, he sells the place out and the fans go nuts for him. The hometown advantage comes in the way the crowd jacks Gatti up. Also the was they constantly cheer for everything Gatti does can persuade the judges. I'll say it again I see this as a trap fight. But yeah follow the late money it will determine a lot.

Tuds

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Ya I didn't figure it would be at 140, Gatti has stated in the past he is done at 140. Gatti at 150 is really pushing it for him. If they are fighting at 154, I have to go Gomez. Look what Baldomir (a notorious light hitter) was able to do to Gatti and what Gatti could not do to Baldomir.

I noticed the Julio Ceasar Chavez Jr. fight on Gatti's boxrec page. I take that with a grain of salt (boxrec has been known to get ahead of themselves on future fights). Have you seen the Chavez Jr/Gatti fight on other websites. Gatti will only fight in AC now, he sells the place out and the fans go nuts for him. The hometown advantage comes in the way the crowd jacks Gatti up. Also the was they constantly cheer for everything Gatti does can persuade the judges. I'll say it again I see this as a trap fight. But yeah follow the late money it will determine a lot.

Tuds

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I checked and it's gonna be at 147.

Regarding the Gatti-Chavez Jnr. fight; it is not a done deal. It does make sense though, and Chavez's camp definitely wants it. I think Gatti's people will pressure him to take it also. They know that Gatti can't win a world title, even if Gatti doesn't understand this. They also know that he should look for a big payday and then retire. Actually, he should retire right now, and not even fight Gomez, but this is not how these money hungry scumbags (promoters/hangers on) think.

So I think that fight will happen if Gatti gets by Gomez.

When I said "follow the money", I did not mean money being wagered. What I meant is that the promoter of the fight, as well as the comission hosting the fight, both have a vested interest in Gatti winning.

Gatti-Chavez Jnr would be yet another Boardwalk Hall sellout for Gatti.

[Tuds75]

Gatti could fight a bear on the boardwalk and it would sell out.

I think the Gomez/Manfredo Jr. fight will me decide who to take in this fight. Gatti can be given an gifts if he gets KO'ed.