44 from EP. Big hand, big pot. I count at least one error here. What about you?

[James.]

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thing is, if you don't think you can c/r the turn, you need to just be reraising the flop.

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I think I agree with this in this case/hand. But I have a problem with the doctrine of always reraising the flop if you know you are going to bet the turn. I think our flop play alters their turn play. Our flop play can make them more/less likely to bet/raise/fold the turn. But this thinking is more in line with smaller HU pots rather than large, multiway ones like this I suppose. Meh, just a random thought I guess.

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random thoughts can be good.

i agree that against most opponents, our play on previous streets can and does directly effect their action on current and future streets.

we need to have a plan, though. we should be thinking one or two streets ahead; that's part of what contributes to our edge.

as far as the "doctrine" of always reraising the flop if you are going to bet the turn, i just don't agree with it. then again, i don't agree with anything in poker that stipulates it should "always" be don. there are plenty of situations where i bet/call the flop with intentions of bet/3betting the turn. true, it is more frequent in HU pots, but it certainly has merit multiway as well. as far as this hand goes, we are simply in bad relative position to really extract value from the field. for that reason i would call with the intentions of 3betting or capping the action if it comes back around to us. in a small pot i might play it differently, but when the pot gets that big i'm not slowplaying bottom set. even on that mostly dry board.

[StrictlyStrategy]

IMO flatcall-3bet on the flop blows, against retarded people who won't fold TT anyways it doesn't matter but you're in a pretty tough game and this makes it real easy for people to make good, big folds.


I don't hate a turn lead either. It's a total rag card, but it puts a club draw out, if button has QJ beat there's a strong chance he's raising anyways which isn't bad at all, and giving a free card here could be fatal.

Button's turn raise-fold is pretty hawt.

River's standard to me, it looks like you're up against Ac 8c or Kc 8c

The only thing I do different is I don't call preflop.