ivey, benyamine etc buying in for 16k?

[yi style]

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they are fish

[/ QUOTE ] ivey is not IMO.

he has no interest in the nosebleed games b/c they are too low for him. I mean the guys doesnt even care about HSP deep stacked 3/6 games.

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too low? where are the higher NL games?!?!

[A_C_Slater]

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Greenstein also showed he practices what he preaches when he bought in short during HSP.

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You can't buy in short on HSP, he just got shortstacked from losing a few pots and didn't add-on.

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Ahh that's right. But he did intially buy in for the 100k min then he went bust and rebought for the rebuy min of 50k I believe.

[PokeReader]

It sounds like he/they could be protecting from having to fold if they think they are getting good odds, but trying to limit their variance by having smaller stacks. Since PLO has extremely high variance, the smaller stack would limit their exposure on any one hand. Only if they have a very good session would they potentially be forced into a high dollar stack-off. It is the statistical equivalent of the top pro's favorite, "run it twice". They could have come up with this after some of the notable PLO sessions they have been hurt in, as a way to limit their exposure. They would, of course, win less as well, but they may just want any strategies to limit variance.

[fsuplayer]

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maybe they arent computer savy and lazy and when they sit down they just hit ok on the default amount which is 16,000 at 200/400

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yeah, this is probably it.


<font color="white">nope, def not </font>

[Floker]

Buying in short is easier to play, so if you're starting a sessions it's perfect since you usually don't start off playing the best you can.

Also, in PLO, if people play very aggressive pre-flop (and they often do at those stakes) then it can be advantageous to buy in short. All you have to do is limp, hope for a raise from a maniac to your left, get a few limpers and do the reraise allin with your hand that's probably a favourite when you get called by the maniac and/or limpers. Not much of a favourite, but favourite nonetheless, and with all the dead money in the pot from the limpers if they fold this makes for a great +EV play. If more than one big stack calls you may get protection after the flop when one big stack bets another out of the pot. You are guarenteed to see the river while the other players may have to fold post-flop. This gives you a clear athematical advantage.

[Squareview]

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Buying in short is easier to play, so if you're starting a sessions it's perfect since you usually don't start off playing the best you can.

Also, in PLO, if people play very aggressive pre-flop (and they often do at those stakes) then it can be advantageous to buy in short. All you have to do is limp, hope for a raise from a maniac to your left, get a few limpers and do the reraise allin with your hand that's probably a favourite when you get called by the maniac and/or limpers. Not much of a favourite, but favourite nonetheless, and with all the dead money in the pot from the limpers if they fold this makes for a great +EV play. If more than one big stack calls you may get protection after the flop when one big stack bets another out of the pot. You are guarenteed to see the river while the other players may have to fold post-flop. This gives you a clear athematical advantage.

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you cant be serious. you have no idea what your talking about. if its such a clear advantage to limp in plo nosebleed and shove the rest to a raise please do the numbers. (in equity per chip). hope u dont post strat

[Squareview]

that seems like -EV all the way around. why are the concepts of EV so hard for people to grasp

[w_alloy]

Ivey and benyamine have a lot more experience than cash specialists playing for 40bb, because of tournaments. They may buy in short because they think that certain cash players don't adjust too well to the smaller stack sizes.

[isapistola]

how is it -EV to get all your chips in as a favorite with dead money in the pot?

"hope u dont post strat"

[GoBucksIndy]

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maybe they arent computer savy and lazy and when they sit down they just hit ok on the default amount which is 16,000 at 200/400

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