JJ tough spot

[Casper05]

c/f. CO wasn't at all scared by SB being behind him still to act on the flop, and the PF cold call is TT-QQ a lot...CO will be happy to check down TT but will not call another bet very often, but he will prob be too stubborn to fold QQ.

[tuuufts]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the possibility that he's likely shoving this flop with QQ. Thoughts on that?

[Casper05]

No he's not. He is [b]likely[/] scared of the same AA/KK we are. He isn't shoving QQ, but he isn't folding it either.

[Fat Nicky]

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no, thats not what i said. i expect turn to go check/check pretty often

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if the turn goes check/check then we likely gave a free card to a 9-15 outer.

[viciouspenguin]

fold pre. c/f flop. c/f turn

[KingGordy]

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those hands arent floating the flop very often and if they do they are hardly ever putting another cent into the pot unless they improve. my point was that if you do manage to get it in here, his range is much closer to 88/QQ+ than what you listed above.

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lol what kind of nitty-ass TAGS are u playing that don't don't "float" that flop with 44-TT?

QQ is such a small part of his range here.

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What kind of retard TAGS do you play with that call this flop with 44?

[Jay Riall]

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fold pre. c/f flop. c/f turn

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Agreed, though I may call a flop bet.

[Ishfay]

Ya, I am fine with a fold preflop. If the 30/21 is three betting pretty loosely you can 4bet and just get it in pre obviously too.

Since you called, I'd try to get to showdown by calling maybe one bet somewhere. I wouldn't have bet the flop.

[Fat Nicky]

if an 18/12 3-bet pre-flop, then yes, folding is fine...but a 30/21 3-bet...come on now, we have to be way ahead of his range here. i will say though, that i like 4-betting better than calling.

[Isura]

I don't mind PF against aggro SB. It is very close, and I def call QQ here. I check/call flop, and shutdown against button.