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Old 06-04-2007, 03:14 PM
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Default Re: 10k$ EPT Monte Carlo: Hand vs Greg Raymer

In this situation, I don't think you put Raymer on a uniform range of TT+, AK. He is more likely to push AA than TT and he could have a restealing type hand. I don't think pushing like that light is a bad play or bad for his reputation or whatever.

I certainly wouldn't 4-bet AK if I wasn't going to call a push. It seems close to me between 4-betting and calling.

It is really hard to analyze without prior history and reads, but this is button versus BB, with two aggressive players, so you don't need AA or KK to go allin.
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Old 06-04-2007, 05:36 PM
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Default Re: 10k$ EPT Monte Carlo: Hand vs Greg Raymer

blah, +cEV, -$EV?

seems like it to me

and when donkament professionals and cash players are so very opposed on a hand, thats usually the reason
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Old 06-04-2007, 08:58 PM
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Default Re: 10k$ EPT Monte Carlo: Hand vs Greg Raymer

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blah, +cEV, -$EV?

seems like it to me

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in what way would this possibly be the case
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:10 PM
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Default Re: 10k$ EPT Monte Carlo: Hand vs Greg Raymer

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blah, +cEV, -$EV?

seems like it to me

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in what way would this possibly be the case

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If gambling for your stack is $EV-. Sklansky seems to think so.
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:13 PM
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Default Re: 10k$ EPT Monte Carlo: Hand vs Greg Raymer

Definitely just call the reraise and feign weakness. Pot will be small enough that you can float any flop bet of T600 or so and you've still invested the same T1500 as before, but now you've seen 6/7ths of the cards.

Minor quibbles but isn't Raymer the one who 4-bet this? Also, he's in the SB not BB. Does that matter? Maybe, but maybe not but despite his LAG reputation he knows what he's doing and there is a reason he might want the BB out of the hand.

You also don't say what Raymer's opinion of hero might be; at first level, and unless they exchanged screen names, doubtful that enough hands have been played with hero on button.

You mention Raymer played a weird hand previously and lost 6k. Was it obvious to everyone? Is he steaming, or more likely, does he want Hero to think he's steaming?
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:13 PM
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Default Re: 10k$ EPT Monte Carlo: Hand vs Greg Raymer

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blah, +cEV, -$EV?

seems like it to me

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in what way would this possibly be the case

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If gambling for your stack is $EV-. Sklansky seems to think so.

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right, but the counterweight to that is that having a bigstack (or at least, doubling the size of your stack) is +$ev because it makes for the ability to maximize other profitable situations down the line.
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:23 PM
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Default Re: 10k$ EPT Monte Carlo: Hand vs Greg Raymer

doubtful that argument applies in this situation.

edit: not saying ur endorsing one way or another, but with pretty deep stacks and good players at the table it seems prty negligible.
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