Everything hits on river, except me..so shove? - Page 3

AcidKnight · #21 05-24-2007, 03:53 PM

The way the hand in the OP played out, if he was gonna be able to call you at all, I figured he'd be flipping over A9o or 44. Pocket 4s made the most sense there I think.

I still think it's a good move and that he has to fold most of his range that beats you. I think though that calling would have been almost as effective since it'd be unlikely (as other posters pointed out) that he value betting a med. strength hand on the end there.

Raised2Win · #22 05-24-2007, 04:25 PM

who pots the river with a made hand that isnt atleast a straight ? You shove looks like re-steal at best, which doesn't make any sense since u had a pair. Overall very spewish

Kirkrrr · #23 05-25-2007, 06:10 AM

This is what I call an "insurance-bluff" where you could easily have the best hand and should probably call, but just in case you don't, you shove hoping to fold out the possible-though-slightly-improbable better hand. These get expensive after a while, so I stopped doing it. I also fold river and 4-bet pre-flop and/or bet the flop.

Kirk

JaBlue · #24 05-25-2007, 06:31 AM

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This guy seems kinda awkward and bad and I don't like big dubious moves vs. those types

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This is a good point. Also dead on, as future play vs him showed.

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dude you shoulda inferred this from pf play in this hand alone.

Daliman · #25 05-25-2007, 10:27 AM

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This guy seems kinda awkward and bad and I don't like big dubious moves vs. those types

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This is a good point. Also dead on, as future play vs him showed.

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dude you shoulda inferred this from pf play in this hand alone.

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I'd say I did. I didn't want to prejudice the read I had at the time too much though for analysis of this specific hand..

rand · #26 05-25-2007, 01:12 PM

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I can't think of anything you can beat here...What were the results?

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You're missing the point. Twice.

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lol

iRock · #27 05-25-2007, 01:20 PM

I don't get why you are unwilling to bet the flop with mid pair and a decent kicker, but you like a bluff raise on a scary river for 3/4 of your buy in. This seems unnecessarily high variance. Bet the flop a lot, if not, keep the pot small. That is why you checked the flop for pot control, then you are putting in your whole stack hoping he folds two pair...seems backwards.