5 Kings in the Deck

[Catul]

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A king came on the flop and after some betting one player folded his hand and the other player showed pocket kings and raked in the pot.

After the hand was over the player that folded claimed he had ace-king.

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Here's the interesting part for me - a player folds TPTK to a flop bet? Wouldn't see that at Foxwoods 1-2 (or even 2-5 game probably) [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[TheJunkyardGod]

I was playing at the Taj a few weeks ago when after a few hours I was dealt pocket fours.

4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. It didnt even set in that they were both clubs until I checked again before folding on the flop. I told the dealer to check the deck and when the hand was over the dealer counted out 53 cards. He took the extra four out and put it back into the other deck, which had 51.

What bothered me was that noone at the table seemed to care and the dealer certainly didnt make a problem out of it. This was a good 15 minute after he sat down so we probably played 10 hands with a fouled deck.

[chillrob]

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I was playing at the Taj a few weeks ago when after a few hours I was dealt pocket fours.

4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. It didnt even set in that they were both clubs until I checked again before folding on the flop. I told the dealer to check the deck and when the hand was over the dealer counted out 53 cards. He took the extra four out and put it back into the other deck, which had 51.

What bothered me was that noone at the table seemed to care and the dealer certainly didnt make a problem out of it. This was a good 15 minute after he sat down so we probably played 10 hands with a fouled deck.

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That is completely crazy...I thought that was why places used two different colored decks? I thought all casinos did that.

[Mr. Philosophy]

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A king came on the flop and after some betting one player folded his hand and the other player showed pocket kings and raked in the pot.

After the hand was over the player that folded claimed he had ace-king.

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Here's the interesting part for me - a player folds TPTK to a flop bet? Wouldn't see that at Foxwoods 1-2 (or even 2-5 game probably) [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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This is the primary reason why I thought the guy was full of crap. To fold TPTK on such a dry board is almost unheard of at the Borgata.

[TheJunkyardGod]

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That is completely crazy...I thought that was why places used two different colored decks? I thought all casinos did that.

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They were using two different color decks.

One was brown, and the other was beige....

[bav]

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That is completely crazy...I thought that was why places used two different colored decks? I thought all casinos did that.

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They were using two different color decks.

One was brown, and the other was beige....

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The WSOP decks used at Rio have this kinda problem. The only difference between the backs is the color of a single thin rectangle drawn around the artwork. Was playing one day when someone stops the action before UTG can bet and asks "can I have two red cards like everybody else?" We thought he was talking about diamonds or hearts. Nope...he had a black rectangle instead of red. No idea how long that had been in the deck with nobody noticing. Only way anyone not looking for it or TV-psychic-detective observant would ever see it is if the cards sat side by side.

[chillrob]

That is ridiculous! Why wouldn't a poker room get a clue and have two decks that look significantly different? Wouldn't one such incident teach them a lesson??

[iron81]

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Was playing one day when someone stops the action before UTG can bet and asks "can I have two red cards like everybody else?" We thought he was talking about diamonds or hearts. Nope...he had a black rectangle instead of red.

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Ruling? As played and rulebook please.

[kennedml]

Since the next hand began, (in your case, without the automatic shuffler, at the first riffle) the hand cannot be declared void and therefore the floor made the correct call. The rake is not returned and the pot belongs to the winner of the previous hand. A new setup is introduced, the game then procedes as usual. However, the floor then gets to have the fun task of card inventory to find out where it came from.

[EWillers]

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Since the next hand began, (in your case, without the automatic shuffler, at the first riffle) the hand cannot be declared void and therefore the floor made the correct call. The rake is not returned and the pot belongs to the winner of the previous hand. A new setup is introduced, the game then procedes as usual. However, the floor then gets to have the fun task of card inventory to find out where it came from.

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I would have to aqree with this. Once the cards are riffled (no shuffler) or the little button is pressed (shuffler) the next hand has begun and the last hand only exists for posterity and bitchin'.

To rule otherwise would open Endora's box and Kramer would go nuts. Should every hand using that deck since the previous set-up be voided and all monies returned?