200NL - 180bbs - Should I value shove river?

[Melchiades]

Shove.

[RRiccio]

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I'm guessing you shoved, and got called by KT. AMIRITE?

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Meh, you know this doesn't matter at all, unless you back it with advice.

Lotus, I'm shoving there. Villains with those stats are calling with most of their two pairs and only two hands beat you.

[early325]

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRIN

[Fonkey123]

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I'm guessing you shoved, and got called by KT. AMIRITE?

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Meh, you know this doesn't matter at all, unless you back it with advice.

Lotus, I'm shoving there. Villains with those stats are calling with most of their two pairs and only two hands beat you.

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I'm telling him he should push, and this post belongs in bbv.

[lotus guardian]

You're an idiot sir. I don't think this is as obvious as you say. In fact I just pokerstoved it putting AQ, AJ and KT in his range and that gives me 50% equity. 8T is obviously part of his range and that leaves me crushed. If you don't feel like contributing to the thread then please stfu.

Btw, he had AQ.

[Fonkey123]

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You're an idiot sir. I don't think this is as obvious as you say. In fact I just pokerstoved it putting AQ, AJ and KT in his range and that gives me 50% equity. 8T is obviously part of his range and that leaves me crushed. If you don't feel like contributing to the thread then please stfu.

Btw, he had AQ.

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That's awesome. Then realize he has ridiculously donkish stats, posted OOP, and it's OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH PARTY POKAH! If you're telling me his range consists of ONLY KT,AQ,AJ,8T then congratz on finding the best 50/0 player in the history of the world.

And I wasn't the only one that said easy push in this thread.

[lotus guardian]

You said this hand belongs in bbv because you can't even consider just calling so I must crush his range right? Please tell me what his exact range is then.

[Fonkey123]

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You said this hand belongs in bbv because you can't even consider just calling so I must crush his range right? Please tell me what his exact range is then.

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30% straight, 5% overset, the other 65% doesn't matter since you're ahead of it, and he's a donkey and will hee-haw call you. These %'s are based on his calling range. I'm trying to determine the discrepancy in the difference between his betting, and calling range, but this is a super strong line, and he probably looks you up with almost his entire range (which as outlined you're way ahead of).

[lotus guardian]

Dude, you don't even know what you're talking about, you just pulled some random numbers out of your ass.

I'm gonna give you a little help. He has an agression factor of 1 and took a super strong line so he obviously doesn't have one pair. The hands that beat me are KT, 8T and overset, but I'm not even gonna consider overset since it's unlikely even though it's perfectly possible for this villain (I wan't to make this a best case scenario). It's obviously a lot more probable that he has a straight than two pair since his line is very strong but let's consider that all possible two pair hands (on the turn) are in his range 100% of the time.

That gives me an equity of 53%. You were right sir, it's the easiest push ever, I don't know what I was thinking when I posted the hand here. Thank you for your input.

[early325]

FWIW, I think you see AQ/AJ here significantly more than you see KT/T8