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Old 05-12-2007, 02:12 PM
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Default Re: Villain says \"HAY GUYS I HAS AA\" - Fold flop?

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I have no idea what he has. Based on his numbers, I guess AK, KQ, sometimes QQ, KK or AA, maybe JTs?

I have no idea what to do here.

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Get your money in and feel good

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I thought flop minraise=nuts. Or is that turn minraise?

I know there are hands in his range that we are crushing, or at least beating. And I also know that he will do this with spades. But how often can he have two spades here? Unless we ignore his admittedly small sample stats?
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Old 05-12-2007, 02:18 PM
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Default Re: Villain says \"HAY GUYS I HAS AA\" - Fold flop?

Reraised pot, draw heavy board, I'm getting it in here every time. You have essentially the nuts
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Old 05-12-2007, 02:51 PM
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Default Re: Villain says \"HAY GUYS I HAS AA\" - Fold flop?

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I have no idea what he has. Based on his numbers, I guess AK, KQ, sometimes QQ, KK or AA, maybe JTs?

I have no idea what to do here.

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Get your money in and feel good

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Right. This is a very standard shove for me, and it should be for you. Calling is obviously terrible on this kind of drawy board, so it's either push or fold. Now look at what beats you: AA, KK, 99 and 66. That's it.

Also, if you have a healthy reraising range, AK is going to be at the top of your range, especially on that flop. If you're not going broke with AK, what are you going broke with?

(In this hand, I shoved, and he called with KQ. But I just briefly looked through my PT, and I could post another 5 where I went broke with TPTK in a reraised pot and won.)
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Old 05-12-2007, 03:55 PM
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Right. This is a very standard shove for me, and it should be for you. Calling is obviously terrible on this kind of drawy board, so it's either push or fold. Now look at what beats you: AA, KK, 99 and 66. That's it.

Also, if you have a healthy reraising range, AK is going to be at the top of your range, especially on that flop. If you're not going broke with AK, what are you going broke with?

(In this hand, I shoved, and he called with KQ. But I just briefly looked through my PT, and I could post another 5 where I went broke with TPTK in a reraised pot and won.)

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Intresting hand I have to say. I did some pokerstoving and you are correct to shove this.

With a very wide range you are ahead and depending on your table image villain will play back with optimal hands.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.639% 51.81% 06.83% 22570 2973.00 { AcKd }
Hand 1: 41.361% 34.54% 06.83% 15044 2973.00 { JJ+, 99, 66, AKs, KQs, JTs, 87s, AKo, KQo }

With a little tighter range it's still tends to be close to coin flop in the long run, so applying the pressure from your end is the most optimal by the looks of it.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.307% 38.76% 10.55% 10743 2925.00 { AcKd }
Hand 1: 50.693% 40.14% 10.55% 11127 2925.00 { JJ+, 99, 66, AKs, AKo }

Correct me if I am wrong somewhere with my reasoning.
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Old 05-12-2007, 04:14 PM
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Default Re: Villain says \"HAY GUYS I HAS AA\" - Fold flop?

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Right. This is a very standard shove for me, and it should be for you. Calling is obviously terrible on this kind of drawy board, so it's either push or fold. Now look at what beats you: AA, KK, 99 and 66. That's it.

Also, if you have a healthy reraising range, AK is going to be at the top of your range, especially on that flop. If you're not going broke with AK, what are you going broke with?

(In this hand, I shoved, and he called with KQ. But I just briefly looked through my PT, and I could post another 5 where I went broke with TPTK in a reraised pot and won.)

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Intresting hand I have to say. I did some pokerstoving and you are correct to shove this.

With a very wide range you are ahead and depending on your table image villain will play back with optimal hands.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.639% 51.81% 06.83% 22570 2973.00 { AcKd }
Hand 1: 41.361% 34.54% 06.83% 15044 2973.00 { JJ+, 99, 66, AKs, KQs, JTs, 87s, AKo, KQo }

With a little tighter range it's still tends to be close to coin flop in the long run, so applying the pressure from your end is the most optimal by the looks of it.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.307% 38.76% 10.55% 10743 2925.00 { AcKd }
Hand 1: 50.693% 40.14% 10.55% 11127 2925.00 { JJ+, 99, 66, AKs, AKo }

Correct me if I am wrong somewhere with my reasoning.

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There's no way villain ever does this with JJ+ but not with KQ, or even KJ...
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