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#21
05-10-2007, 08:11 AM
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Re: Underrepped Overpair Facing Heat
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question: What hands can he value bet the river with? TT/66? AJspades would probably get a free card on turn. what else? [/ QUOTE ] flushes, AA, KK, KT, trips, bluff/air 
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#24
05-10-2007, 11:57 AM
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Re: Underrepped Overpair Facing Heat
As played I like a fold. If the stacks were normal sized id love a turn check raise.
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#25
05-10-2007, 12:05 PM
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Re: Underrepped Overpair Facing Heat
calling preflop is OK for reasons given, but playing QQ so weakly first to act on both the flop and turn is so damn terrible.
this is shorthanded holdem. what kind of board WERE you going to be comfortable building the pot? QQ is a top tier hand and you're playing it like you have 88 here or 9To. you don't need the nuts to win a big pot if you can cultivate an aggressive or tricky image. and i'm not trying to be holier-than-thou, im trying to equivocate just how misplayed this hand was. it's one thing if the flop comes 678 two tone or A high and you want to slow down. it's another if the texture is pretty good for your hand. you don't HAVE to stack off if you start building the pot. think about how your opponent considers your image: if you c/r the flop or turn what will he put you on? what will he continue with? if he's going to put you ONLY on a set or big draw then you need to account for that in your line.
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#26
05-10-2007, 12:43 PM
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Re: Underrepped Overpair Facing Heat
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calling preflop is OK for reasons given, but playing QQ so weakly first to act on both the flop and turn is so damn terrible. this is shorthanded holdem. what kind of board WERE you going to be comfortable building the pot? QQ is a top tier hand and you're playing it like you have 88 here or 9To. you don't need the nuts to win a big pot if you can cultivate an aggressive or tricky image. and i'm not trying to be holier-than-thou, im trying to equivocate just how misplayed this hand was. it's one thing if the flop comes 678 two tone or A high and you want to slow down. it's another if the texture is pretty good for your hand. you don't HAVE to stack off if you start building the pot. think about how your opponent considers your image: if you c/r the flop or turn what will he put you on? what will he continue with? if he's going to put you ONLY on a set or big draw then you need to account for that in your line. [/ QUOTE ] Any post with the word "equivocate" is probably good, just like this one [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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#27
05-10-2007, 12:49 PM
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Re: Underrepped Overpair Facing Heat
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[ QUOTE ] calling preflop is OK for reasons given, but playing QQ so weakly first to act on both the flop and turn is so damn terrible. this is shorthanded holdem. what kind of board WERE you going to be comfortable building the pot? QQ is a top tier hand and you're playing it like you have 88 here or 9To. you don't need the nuts to win a big pot if you can cultivate an aggressive or tricky image. and i'm not trying to be holier-than-thou, im trying to equivocate just how misplayed this hand was. it's one thing if the flop comes 678 two tone or A high and you want to slow down. it's another if the texture is pretty good for your hand. you don't HAVE to stack off if you start building the pot. think about how your opponent considers your image: if you c/r the flop or turn what will he put you on? what will he continue with? if he's going to put you ONLY on a set or big draw then you need to account for that in your line. [/ QUOTE ] Any post with the word "equivocate" is probably good, just like this one [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] QFT
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#30
05-10-2007, 12:59 PM
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Re: Underrepped Overpair Facing Heat
Unfortunately this is the kind of crap you get yourself into by playing this hand like this. I understand you were trying to mix your play up preflop but this is a bad spot to do this. You are in worst position and you will be playing a 3 way pot with people who you have no clue where they are at. Not to mention an ace or a king will flop 41% percent of the time which will render you helpless if one hits. But given the fact that you just called lets move to the flop. In NO way should you not lead out or raise villain on the flop. I mean you could not have asked for a better flop for QQ in this situation. There are 2 spades and you don't even raise villain to get the limper out(what if the limper has spades or a hand like 78). Lucky for you the limper folds behind. Now the turn pairs the 5 and again you cannot ask for a better card non spade. Sorry, I know your intention was to mix it up but you absolutely butchered this hand on every street in my opinion. Fold to the river bet cause you don't deserve the pot and I nor you have any clue what he has when the second worst card in the deck for you next to the ace of spades drops on the river.
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