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Old 05-03-2007, 05:00 PM
FineVol FineVol is offline
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Default Re: TT: dont want to build a big pot, dont want to give a free card

Good point,I think I am so scared of getting run down I dont get the most profit. I need to slow down and see how coordinated the board is.
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Old 05-03-2007, 05:04 PM
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The thing I don't like about raising these flops is it lets the draws shove and you have to fold.
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Old 05-03-2007, 05:04 PM
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what draws?
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Old 05-03-2007, 05:15 PM
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call.
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Old 05-03-2007, 05:17 PM
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what draws?

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Pair draw!
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Old 05-03-2007, 05:19 PM
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Orange, I used to 3bet this like always, but SSNL is so nitty nowadays they just always fold preflop. I find myself calling here more and more and playing poker in position post flop.

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you might be right. 1/2+ i definitely repop though. i really dont mind playing for stacks on a nice flop in a rr-ed pot nowadays.
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Old 05-03-2007, 05:21 PM
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raises to 21.00 to tell MP his ace high is no good.

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Please, please, please, please think about why this idea sucks.
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Old 05-03-2007, 05:26 PM
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I have recently noticed a strong sentiment in SSNL of using sub-optimal plays in order to make decisions easier. This is really bad and will wind up costing you lots of money in the long run. THe best players are the ones that make the best decisions in the toughest spots, not the ones who never give their opponents chances to make mistakes.


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This is not a recent sentiment, nor will it ever go away (the guilty parties just change).

It's part of the learning process. 6 months ago DBitel, Orange, I, and others used to basically say the same thing. I'm sure 6 months before that AJ, Fimbul, and Xorbie were saying it. Eventually the posters that we are educating right now will also learn and repeat it.
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Old 05-03-2007, 05:29 PM
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I have recently noticed a strong sentiment in SSNL of using sub-optimal plays in order to make decisions easier. This is really bad and will wind up costing you lots of money in the long run. THe best players are the ones that make the best decisions in the toughest spots, not the ones who never give their opponents chances to make mistakes.


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This is not a recent sentiment, nor will it ever go away (the guilty parties just change).

It's part of the learning process. 6 months ago DBitel, Orange, I, and others used to basically say the same thing. I'm sure 6 months before that AJ, Fimbul, and Xorbie were saying it. Eventually the posters that we are educating right now will also learn and repeat it.

[/ QUOTE ]I come on here to grow and these kind of posts help.
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Old 05-03-2007, 05:35 PM
HiBaCHi HiBaCHi is offline
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Default Re: TT: dont want to build a big pot, dont want to give a free card

if he's utg i like calling more pf. here it's a tossup imo and depends on a lot of factors. 3betting is probably standard but w/e.

post flop i basically agree w/ wdead and orange. there are a lot of ways to play this hand and infinite variables but calling in position and playing poker is what is generally going to make the most money unless you don't play good in which case raising to ~40 like others have been saying is probably best. making some crap minraise is the absolute worst option.
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