I bomb JJ in blinds preflop and this stupid TAG won't fold

[terp]

lol i'm the reason for this post.

sorry if i'm a fish and want to call. what fly said is true: he shouldn't slowplay twopair+ and i'll DISCOUNT the likelihood of this part of his range, but i won't eliminate it. i don't expect to win this often, but i think we come close to 30% or whatever.

would you all fold KK? AQ? i doubt he is valueshoving Qx. if we lose, i think his most likely hand is Tx; if we win, obviously diamonds or KJ.

[74o_Clownsuit]

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lol i'm the reason for this post.

sorry if i'm a fish and want to call. what fly said is true: he shouldn't slowplay twopair+ and i'll DISCOUNT the likelihood of this part of his range, but i won't eliminate it. i don't expect to win this often, but i think we come close to 30% or whatever.

would you all fold KK? AQ? i doubt he is valueshoving Qx. if we lose, i think his most likely hand is Tx; if we win, obviously diamonds or KJ.

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So which do you think is more likely?

[corsakh]

Limp/call perhaps indicates AA, pp or sc.

Your BB raise, nitty stats and bets indicate you have an over or at least TPTK. He has no reason to think otherwise.

Yet he is calling you in position. When someone with 4.3 AF calls two streets in position, I muck my top pair, I muck my top two pair. This is not what this guys do with marginal hands. With marginal hands they raise. With draws they raise. They only call with monsters.

My thinking is he filled. This, or flopped a straight with two diamonds - hero does not hold Jd.

[luckbalks]

How come JT isn't mentioned too much here? Don't you think he could have JT suited here quite a bit and he check calls flop and turn with middle pair and a guthsot? Am I missing something? Yes I know OP has JJ but JT can't be that far out of the question right?

[carnivalhobo]

the limp makes this tough, i have no idea as far as a range for this crap Axs, suited connectors, 22-66 or something? It doesnt seem like they do it much though so thats probably too wide. I can see him having diamonds here but also 88 and even 33, sometimes people just do crazy crap

[shpanko]

I think his range is almost completely diamonds/KJ/J9/maybe even AJ for double busted straight

I just can't see him calling with a monster on the turn unless it's specifically J9 of diamonds. The board is so wet that a set (unlikely 88/TT/QQ all raise pf) or two pair (more likely) both have to raise either the flop or turn.

On the river he has just enough to make an ok bluff and you're checked to him, so I really think this is a call. I wouldn't be able to figure this out in the moment but I think this really is a call.

One last hand I'm a bit worried about is a KQo type hand, even that might not shove the river though without history.

My official guesses are 6d7d/AdXd

[Sh@i'tan]

are you folding AA here? imo aa = jj.

i call btw.

[Kilillan]

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are you folding AA here? imo aa = jj.

i call btw.

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except aces beat queens

and even though a relatively small part of his range is strong queens, it does make up a part of his rnage

[Isura]

I can't see the cards, is it just me?

[buckbomb56]

I love how all 2p2ers always assume the villian can't ever be bluffing given their line. IMHO villian has a hand like 89dd, I dont honestly think that if he limp calls here that he has q10, or 10x. I also do not believe he has aq because he would not shove river nor does he limp. I think he, "as all people do," puts u on ak or aa here, which would make no reason for him to push here. I think he shows u a missed draw or combo draw here almost as often as aq/10j suited/other wierd made hands.