Somali Freedom Fighters

[pvn]

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A knife in my chest would be a problem. Someone pulling that knife out of my chest is not much of an improvement.

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But according to you guys the knife is at least a bit into the chest also in i.e. the US. Does your above statement mean that you think that the damages from the knife can't be healed or that it needs much longer time than in current Somalia? Today is a combination of actions yesterday and actions today and it is possible to some extent to separate what is caused by what, and I am 99,9% convinced that some of the large problems in today's Somalia are not a result of any previous government, because some things have developed so clearly in the opposite direction that the direction government took.

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Short answer: government may be bad, but sudden, violent collapse of it isn't going to turn the place into utopia overnight.

[Arnfinn Madsen]

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Short answer: government may be bad, but sudden, violent collapse of it isn't going to turn the place into utopia overnight.

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So how you want to do it, have control of government and then dismantle it slowly or just dismantle and go through a bad period?

[TomCollins]

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Short answer: government may be bad, but sudden, violent collapse of it isn't going to turn the place into utopia overnight.

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So how you want to do it, have control of government and then dismantle it slowly or just dismantle and go through a bad period?

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This depends a LOT on the population and its values.

[mosdef]

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This depends a LOT on the population and its values.

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Are you saying that if the "population's values" (whatever that means, I thought that individuals had values and they were allowed to differ) include valuing the government, then AC freedom fighters should tear down the government because the people are wrong?

[pvn]

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This depends a LOT on the population and its values.

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Are you saying that if the "population's values" (whatever that means, I thought that individuals had values and they were allowed to differ) include valuing the government, then AC freedom fighters should tear down the government because the people are wrong?

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Depends. Are they using force to compel others to participate? If you want "government" and keep it to yourselves, then it shouldn't be torn down by outsiders.

[Dan.]

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Don't you get it? Somalia is not AC because it had a government at one point that did stuff with which I disagree. So now every problem Somalia has is because of the government that used to be there, duh.

Never mind the mantra "if something is a problem, how can the absence of it not be an improvement." That's clearly not applicable here.

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I got shot in the head with a hollowpoint. The bullet remvoed itself. Obviously, now that the bullet is gone, I am as good as new.

EDIT: MY PONY TOO SLOW

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Of course you recognize the saying as your own, right?

[pvn]

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Don't you get it? Somalia is not AC because it had a government at one point that did stuff with which I disagree. So now every problem Somalia has is because of the government that used to be there, duh.

Never mind the mantra "if something is a problem, how can the absence of it not be an improvement." That's clearly not applicable here.

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I got shot in the head with a hollowpoint. The bullet remvoed itself. Obviously, now that the bullet is gone, I am as good as new.

EDIT: MY PONY TOO SLOW

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Of course you recognize the saying as your own, right?

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Cite?

[Metric]

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Depends. Are they using force to compel others to participate? If you want "government" and keep it to yourselves, then it shouldn't be torn down by outsiders.

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Excellent point of clarification. ACists don't care if you want join with a bunch of other people (in an agreement you call "government"), pool your resources, and pay people to "regulate" your own behavior. What ACists don't like is the fact that your organization places a gun to their head and demands ~50% of the fruits of their labor, whether they want to be involved or not.

[mosdef]

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Depends. Are they using force to compel others to participate? If you want "government" and keep it to yourselves, then it shouldn't be torn down by outsiders.

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Right, but should it be torn down by outsiders when the government doesn't "keep it to themselves" i.e., should ACists in the US try to take the US government down on a moral basis?

[Borodog]

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