working on my omaha game

[Maulik]

What hands does he have that doesn't lead?

If you bet the turn, you avoid this dilemma. Did you miss a turn bet?

[Bill King]

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You have trip tens here. - are you trying to make one of those strassa statements saying that my boat is now only a bluff catcher and has the same value as trip tens or a flush that only beats a bluff...if so I agree but I really do have a boat, maybe you misread it.

Any chance someone checkraises K3 on river?

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ehh.. is this not a good spot to bluff anyhow?

[O-Tower]

call and feel sick. you play it as a flush so good bluffopportonity he must think.

prolly same hand and worse a lot of times

[pete fabrizio]

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You have trip tens here. - are you trying to make one of those strassa statements saying that my boat is now only a bluff catcher and has the same value as trip tens or a flush that only beats a bluff...if so I agree but I really do have a boat, maybe you misread it.

Any chance someone checkraises K3 on river?

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If your opp puts you on the A-high flush, he may check-raise with a smaller flush as a bluff and/or with K3/T3 for value.

[AcidKnight]

Please ignore the post count, I have lurked for a long time.

I agree that your hand is pretty transparently NOT KK or 33, so that KT can be played like the nuts from the villain's perspective. He easily could have started the hand with something like KxQsTx9s and flopped the 2nd nut flush and top 2. The turn would be one of the last cards that he'd want to see but the river solved his problems as he now has the 3rd nuts and the way the hand has gone down, it looks like you're not holding the 1st or 2nd nuts.

There's obviously no value in reraising here but I think folding is too weak.

[AAismyfriend]

this is a really good spot to c/r bluff in villian's eyes for obvious reasons so call.

[TxRedMan]

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The flip side to this is that there really aren't many hands containing 33 that are worth playing, and a lot of KK hands would have raised pre.

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I don't agree with either of these.

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KOD is right.

I can think of a ton of reasons not to raise KKxx preflop, in fact, a lot of times I fold KKxx preflop. And there's a ton of 33xx hands that are playable.

Wait a minute. What [censored] forum is this?

meh.

anyways, just to name a few-

3345
2334
AA33
A233
A334
A335


and KK that im folding pre;

KK27
KK28
KK39
KK24
KK25
KK49
etc, etc

KK hands i might just limp/call with

KKJ9
KK910
KKQ9
KK99
KK1010
KKA5

etc, etc

also, grim, easy call.

your hand looks like a flush that played the turn for pot control, then value bet the river (b/c most of the times a double paired board doesnt have a FH as often as a paired board). this is an uber easy call. but it's just a call- b/c it's unlikely you're getting called if you raise (asuming you're decently deep) by anything you beat. i'd expect to see a better hand fairly often, but not often enough to ever justify folding.

also, 25-50 is too big for your game. i was playing 5-10 with you last month on FT and there's no way anyone could go from 5-10 to 25-50 that fast. but i guess that's why you are who you are.

GL

[LA_Price]

this is one of those spots where he either has it or he doesn't.

This is also one of those spots where he is least likely to be bluffing. Fold and I wouldn't think twice about it. Your only hope is the small chance he has the same hand + the small chance he is bluffing, which compared to your odds make this a losing call.

Also I would bet the turn here. The hand you actually mright want to check behind with here is KK with the lone A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

[greywolf]

i play any KK hand before i play 3345,A332 and similar hands. With a hand like 3345 the flop must come down exactly A23 for you to really like your hand, I do play them in good position though but folding any hand with KK while playing 3345 doesnt make sense.

[greywolf]

Great spot for him to turn a smaller flush into a bluff and checkraise you so im not gonna think too long about calling here. Its possible to fold in some situations fearing overfull and to a lesser extent 3333. KT for a slit pot shouldnt be calling the flop but might call if you are playing very aggresively or he has a flush to go with top two.