multiway middle set, can i fold this?

[barryc83]

Folding is terrible. Especially given the way you played it, knowing both stacks go in. The only hand you dont want to see is JJ.

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Qs 615 68.11 288 31.89 0 0.00 0.681
3c 3h 272 30.12 631 69.88 0 0.00 0.301
Ks Jc 16 1.77 887 98.23 0 0.00 0.018

Youre getting 2.27:1 on the call and you are ahead on the flop a lot.

[Jouster777]

We see 5 cards, we have 7 outs on the turn and 10 outs on the river so I think it should be: 1-(40/47*36/46) = 33.4%

Barry's pokerstove came out to ~30% because he assumes one of the J outs is taken (and it is likely to be).

[spivey]

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I don't think its really about monsters under the bed... AA and KK with a spade are calling here, I agree... but that's just one of them.. Can we so easily assume that the other player still in the game is also beaten?

As for why playing pocket pairs and fold them on flop. I guess you are right here, but it seems that you will not fold a set on flop under any circumstances against 2 more players on any board and that might be wrong. Or is pounding a set a must every time?

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Because this action is insane, and players at low levels are so weak/tight with 3 of the same suit on the flop it's ridiculous. I didn't check the pot-odds of filling up, but someone definitely has a flush and the chance that someone has JJ is about as high as it will ever be.

[Waingro]

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Also, WTF is with all the folding great hands in uNL and SSNL? I'm gonna make a post about this soon!

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How about a temp ban on anybody suggesting folding a set on the flop? I think that would help the discussion.

Every once in a while you get that sick feeling when your opponents take a very goofy line that screams TOP SET. Wanting to get it allin on this flop isn´t enough to convince me. Other hands take the same line so easy call. Also, I think you should just crai first time around.

[React1oN]

If I c'd like you did I would def c/r and not just call