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#21
04-05-2007, 02:40 PM
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Re: levels
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[ QUOTE ] Not to get ahead of the discussion, but can someone suggest the line when we 3 bet, and he goes 4 ? [/ QUOTE ] I was thinking about that myself too. I think when that happens we are crushed, especially since the Ace of spades is out. I can't really think of any weird one pair/flush draw hands unless he got jiggy w/ Jack-Ten of spades. [/ QUOTE ] haha oops I missed we had AQ. I misread, thought we had AK. Ya it's even more bizarre when he goes 4 and we've got top 2. youza ! 
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#23
04-05-2007, 03:12 PM
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what I did
live 30/60
villain here is expert. we are friends and talk poker and of late have played together quite a bit. he is up in this session, but in the last few orbits he has blown 20bb. i am running good, and up around 15bb. I have yet to get out of line. an orbit earlier we were in a hand where 1-2 players limped, i raised AKo, he 3bets AKo next in, one limper called and i just called. the point is he knows i can just call preflop with AK, which may have some relevance here. (utg, a politician who thinks online poker should be illegal, won with j7o. obviously he is aware that if he could play online, he'd be busto in a few days.) 3folds, I raise AQo, villain 3bets next in, BB calls, i call. BB is a regular. he is simply horrible. his call means zilch. flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] bb checks, I bet, villain pauses for an instant and calls, BB calls. turn: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] check, bet, call, call. river: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] check, I check.......
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#24
04-05-2007, 03:14 PM
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Re: levels
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I should mention that BB will call 2 cold with any draw, even if that draw is to running trips. [/ QUOTE ] This now makes me lean towards a flop c/r. My main reason for advocating a flop bet/3bet was to eliminate the BB.
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#25
04-05-2007, 03:14 PM
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Re: levels
His hand range should include AJ, KQs, etc so I would raise AK, though it would be a scary board to do so. I agree if we get excess action we are in trouble, but the fish being in the hand makes things a little less certain.
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#28
04-05-2007, 04:21 PM
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Re: levels
Against Kirby, if I were you I'd checkraise. If he has JJ and checks behind, then oh well. I think that's about the only hand he might commonly check behind. Given he's running [censored] I feel like it's a little bit closer to a bet, just to make sure the idiots have to put something in on the flop, since I think it becomes more likely he'll check behind with a wider range of holdings.
Anyway, I think I like a checkraise a little more than a bet. Also, because of the two spades out there, a checkraise is the best way to get AK or AT to give you some extra action (of which lets make it the goal to put in all of the action on the flop since you're out of position and turns getting checked through sucks, and getting 3-bet on the turn sucks), since if the whole field calls it's conceivable to Kirby you're checkraising the flop with a flush draw or a combo pair+draw hand.
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#29
04-05-2007, 04:28 PM
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Re: what I did
Ugh just bet the damn river. Kirby is one of those guys capable of checking behind with AJ or A8 (I think he can hold A8s, personally), as well as KK. Bet and make some money, remember there's the fish in the pot and you wanna at least try to get a call from him... Kirby isn't dumb and can see that you probably have a strong hand on this board. Since you've taken the initiative the whole way, it's tougher for him to just bet A8 *because the fish might call with worse* since his hand reading has to focus on you and be worried that he's a big underdog to the range of hands you'd play this way.
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