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Old 04-03-2007, 09:25 AM
killphilNI killphilNI is offline
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Default Re: Top two in blind battle on dangerous board - raise river?

If you've been really beating on/tilting him, make it 80 on the river and fold to shove obv. Esp given your turn check. If you don't think he's going to make a loose call, call. I usually bet turn fwiw.
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Old 04-03-2007, 09:57 AM
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Default Re: Top two in blind battle on dangerous board - raise river?

I think raising to 60ish and folding to a raise is good.

I can see plenty of worse hands that call here and would play this way with a 24/2.

BTW, I would much prefer betting the turn as well,
pretty sure he's not folding a Q here.
Fold to a raise obviously with his stats.
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Old 04-03-2007, 09:58 AM
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Default Re: Top two in blind battle on dangerous board - raise river?

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I'm betting the turn. There are absolutly tonnes of worse hands that will call here and if he check-raises we have a simple fold.

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You bet 60(?) on the turn, you gonna fold for 70 more getting nrly 4-1. Even against a passive guy thats a pretty ugly spot to get into. Bet/fold is more attractive if villain starts the hand w/ a full stack.

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Old 04-03-2007, 10:20 AM
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Default Re: Top two in blind battle on dangerous board - raise river?

Good point 2Paul

Also villain only has $100 on the riv so bet/folding riv isnt really a great option?
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Old 04-03-2007, 10:43 AM
Daddy Warbucks Daddy Warbucks is offline
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Default Re: Top two in blind battle on dangerous board - raise river?

Something to consider. Would a player with a made hand who presumably missed his turn check raise really try to get this little value on the river?
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Old 04-03-2007, 10:45 AM
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Default Re: Top two in blind battle on dangerous board - raise river?

I don't understand how you can't bet the turn. It seems like a fairly standard B/F to me, $50-$60.

I call river as well.
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Old 04-03-2007, 10:45 AM
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Default Re: Top two in blind battle on dangerous board - raise river?

Soda,

I like when people bust out an entire elaborate train of thought in a post. Thank you.
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Old 04-03-2007, 11:43 AM
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Default Re: Top two in blind battle on dangerous board - raise river?

A draw is such a large part of his range. I don't know how you can raise this river, just call.
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Old 04-03-2007, 12:07 PM
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Default Re: Top two in blind battle on dangerous board - raise river?

I still don't see why we're checking this turn. Just because it's awkward stack sizes doesn't seem like a good reason. I want to keep betting vs his AQ,KQ,flush/straight draw letting him think we're hanging ourself. On river it's more likely he thinks we have air or weak pair and is just trying to milk value w/ one pair (or busted draw). Just because his agg factor is low doesn't mean he won't c/raise a worse hand on turn. He'll more than likely be making a stand. I dunno, I have no problem getting it in here.

As played, calling river is best imo.
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Old 04-03-2007, 12:15 PM
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Default Re: Top two in blind battle on dangerous board - raise river?

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Something to consider. Would a player with a made hand who presumably missed his turn check raise really try to get this little value on the river?

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villain could have flopped huge and then turned into a wuss when the heart showed up on the turn.

i think a raise is just too thin to justify.
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