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#21
03-23-2007, 10:07 AM
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Re: Die record industry, die.
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Some interesting reading on why bands/artists in general would be better off if the major labels did die... Steve Albini - The Problem with Music [/ QUOTE ] Haha this is from the 90s its 100x worse now. Or actually in some ways its better becuase small labels can distribute music much easier. But when it comes to getting screwed by majors the labels have even more of an upper hand since there's like 50% less money to go around. 
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#22
03-23-2007, 10:20 AM
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Re: Die record industry, die.
They will make all that money back and more once Chinese Democracy comes out.
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#24
03-23-2007, 12:27 PM
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Re: Die record industry, die.
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[ QUOTE ] Yes, the major labels are a HUGE part of the problem. But so is the general public's total susceptibility to being told what they're supposed to like. [/ QUOTE ] Dude, Payola. Always illegal, but they still do it. Funny I made this thread today. On iTunes store today there was an organization attempting to amass enough people to make the #1 song an independent artist's song (no record label). I forget what it's called and I don't know what the outcome was because I don't use iTunes, but I bet it was a success. Prior to internet music sales this would be inconceivable. It just goes to show that internet distribution allows greater music diversity and LESS "we tell you what to like" syndrome. [/ QUOTE ] Payola never made anyone actually listen to, or buy, anything. If you don't listen to "Top 40 Songs 40 Times A Day", then payola doesn't even affect what you hear. Payola only affects what you hear in the mass market media -- if you choose to accept that as your menu of what's available to you musically, then your listening choices *are* subject to the whims of the major label industry. We call people like that sheep, with no desire or ability to actually define their own taste in music. But if all you do is download music illegally, then you are, as you put it, "denying" the industry. Not because you don't like the music. Because you certainly like it enough to steal it. But rather, because you feel you can get away with it. Setting aside the fact that major label royalty rates suck, you're still taking money out of the pockets of those who actually made the music. But whatever. I'm sure you'd probably steal the walking cane from a blind woman crossing the street, if you thought you wouldn't get caught, and thought you'd enjoy free use of the cane.
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#25
03-23-2007, 12:32 PM
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Re: Die record industry, die.
The concepts remain the same. However, an artist can make more $$$ selling 50,000 copies of a CD on a label such as Merge, or Yep Roc, or Rainbow Quartz, than they can by selling 300,000 on EMI or Warner Brothers.
Why? Recoupables. Don't have the label pay for your album. Don't allow them to dictate to you your producer or studio. And do a Jack White -- license your master recordings to the label. If they didn't pay to have it recorded, they don't get to own it. They only get to distribute it. All a major label is, really, is a lending institution to bands. The collateral is the master recordings and potential for future profit. I know quite a few bands who are getting along more than decently, without being on a major. Do they sell a half mil copies of each CD? No. But they don't have to, because they get a MUCH larger share of revenue of what is sold. Not to say the industry is really healthy, because it's not. But honestly, most of the doom and gloom is coming from the 4 major labels, because they are the ones who so royally screwed the pooch throughout the 90s, to get them to this point.
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#26
03-23-2007, 12:43 PM
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Re: Die record industry, die.
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[ QUOTE ] I can't blame the music industry for being mad the CD business is going under, but you can blame them for selling a crappy, overpriced product. They need to adapt or die. I'm sure the horse and buggy makers weren't too happy about cars either but deal with it. [/ QUOTE ] Sure, if you get all your information on new music from TRL or Rolling Stone, or your local Clear Channel affiliate. There's plenty of good music being released these days. A little browsing beyond the "Hot This Week at Best Buy" endcap rack goes a long way. Yes, the major labels are a HUGE part of the problem. But so is the general public's total susceptibility to being told what they're supposed to like. [/ QUOTE ] The public likes what they're told to like for a number of reasons: 1 - Most don't have time & energy to actually find good music 2 - Most don't know how to even if they wanted to 3 - Most don't want to spend the money to find good music as they'll have to sift through a lot of crappy unknown music in order to find the good unknown music. But record companies have always been part of the problem, ever since the invention of the radio. The difference is that back in the day the record companies used to have to find artists that were good then sign them. Now they sit around and manufacture bands/music and shove it down our throat. that's why we have garbage like Fergie and "this is why I'm hot"
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#27
03-23-2007, 12:53 PM
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Re: Die record industry, die.
Sorry, but this new economic system is just the recording industry getting exactly what it's deserved for years...
They're an entertainment industry. That's it. The only value they bring to the system is the enjoyment that people get out of it. The market will determine what that enjoyment is worth. Obviously, the simple fact is that this form of entertainment is not worth buying if you're going to enjoy it in your own home. If all they're going to provide is the song, they're not going to make any money off of it. The artists can still make money... it's called a concert. They perform their music, and they will be paid according to a fair market price (F Ticketmaster). Simple. But, if all they're going to do is pump out music that's not worth buying, they're not going to make any money. The only people who really get screwed here are the producers and CD manufacturers... which is exactly as it should be. They're stuck providing technology and services for a dying trend. They're ten years behind the rest of the world. Artists don't need them, and the people who enjoy the music don't either, so they should be losing money. Recorded music will be distributed (for free) by anyone. Now that the technology has been created to do it, you're not putting the genie back in the bottle. So, if artists want to make money, they'll have to charge people to listen to them perform. If the mega-companies/monopoly think that there's any room for them in the future, they completely deserve to go broke. Information does not need to go through their hands anymore in order to reach the mainstream audience. Therefore, they are useless, and should be going broke. The last throes of a dying industry... the horse and buggy example provided earlier is perfect. They no longer serve a purpose, and they should be going broke. It's the way the economy has progressed. The artists can still make money, and the people can still enjoy the music, but they don't need the middle-men anymore.
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#28
03-23-2007, 11:20 PM
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Re: Die record industry, die.
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Sorry, but this new economic system is just the recording industry getting exactly what it's deserved for years... They're an entertainment industry. That's it. The only value they bring to the system is the enjoyment that people get out of it. The market will determine what that enjoyment is worth. Obviously, the simple fact is that this form of entertainment is not worth buying if you're going to enjoy it in your own home. If all they're going to provide is the song, they're not going to make any money off of it. The artists can still make money... it's called a concert. They perform their music, and they will be paid according to a fair market price (F Ticketmaster). Simple. But, if all they're going to do is pump out music that's not worth buying, they're not going to make any money. The only people who really get screwed here are the producers and CD manufacturers... which is exactly as it should be. They're stuck providing technology and services for a dying trend. They're ten years behind the rest of the world. Artists don't need them, and the people who enjoy the music don't either, so they should be losing money. Recorded music will be distributed (for free) by anyone. Now that the technology has been created to do it, you're not putting the genie back in the bottle. So, if artists want to make money, they'll have to charge people to listen to them perform. If the mega-companies/monopoly think that there's any room for them in the future, they completely deserve to go broke. Information does not need to go through their hands anymore in order to reach the mainstream audience. Therefore, they are useless, and should be going broke. The last throes of a dying industry... the horse and buggy example provided earlier is perfect. They no longer serve a purpose, and they should be going broke. It's the way the economy has progressed. The artists can still make money, and the people can still enjoy the music, but they don't need the middle-men anymore. [/ QUOTE ] yah I alwyas hated the arguement that you were stealing food off families tables by downloading pirated music. Isnt the IRAA doing the same by contracting with itunes? Such hypocracy.
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