Harrahs Kansas City ruling

[Nate.]

Stevie --

Gotcha.

--Nate

[TheStation]

It's sad this happened after they went through the work to finally separate the pit dealers and poker dealers into distinct groups... I am not sure how much of a mix up there was in the floor managers though...

They really do have some strange rules though, I will give you that, I think what is complicating things out there right now is that rules are changing week to week and you dont necessarily know that until a situation comes up at the table (such as straddling and chopping being allowed under the new mgmt, I have also heard that exposing cards when heads up is fine but havnet seen it come up and I broke myself of that habit and not sure if I want to bring it back or not...)

Hopefully they will redo their "poker house rules" sign at some point but I also realize that wont really solve the issue either...

[juanez]

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This is also the same casino that, for a short period of time, had this rule. In the event of a exposed card while dealing (the buttons card gets flipped over or what have you), instead of making that exposed card the burn card and giving the button the should of been burn, they ruled as follows. The dealer picked a random card from the middle of the deck to replace the exposed card. hmmmmmm

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If the first card dealt to the Button is exposed, this is exactly how it should be fixed - with a random card from the middle of the deck, and the exposed card is dead (not the burn). If the first card dealt to either of the blinds is exposed, it's a misdeal. Any other exposed card simply gets replaced and the exposed card is the burn. Of course, other house rules could apply instead.

[RR]

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If the first card dealt to the Button is exposed, this is exactly how it should be fixed - with a random card from the middle of the deck, and the exposed card is dead (not the burn)

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I have seen this rule. It is non-standard.

[juanez]

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I have seen this rule. It is non-standard.

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NIT! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Twistofsin]

Dealing a new flop is just better for the game, regardless of the 1 in whatever chance the wrong card is chosen for the burn.

People will deal with it better emotionally if they flop a set or better and the whole flop is re dealt compared to having there card burned with the rest of the flop in play. That alone would push plenty of people to argue for a misdeal.

[bav]

The ruling they made in KC was dreadful.

As to how they should handle it, I don't much care as long as the rule is not "the floor just picks a card at random to become the burn". I've been at tables where players start politicing the floor to try to convince him which card has to come off--you cannot let the floor just wing it and pick left or right or next to left based on his whim. That's when the person doing the politicing who's been most generous schmoozing the floor tends to get what he wants.

So just have a fixed rule. Either RR's way of pick 'em all up and reshuffle. Or always pick up the left card (which as CC points out will be right 66% of the time). I'm fine with either choice.

I actually kind like the idea of always taking off the left card because that is least disruptive--if you reshuffle, everybody has seen 4 cards that are live in the deck that they now know cannot be in someone's hand. That seems the worse evil and I'd rather they only have info about the one burn card. And yeah, 1 in 3 times the "wrong" card becomes the burn, but is that worse than having 0 of the 3 board cards be the "right" ones by reshuffling?

[RR]

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I actually kind like the idea of always taking off the left card because that is least disruptive--if you reshuffle, everybody has seen 4 cards that are live in the deck that they now know cannot be in someone's hand.

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Now you have to have exceptions for whent he dealer is left handed. As a saide note there are a lot of left handed poker dealers becasue just about everything else in the casino has to be dealt right handed (look at how blackjack tables are set up).