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[DeuceKicker]

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[/ QUOTE ]Way to artifically inflate your post count.

Edit for people who read this in the year 2525: Matt's post count is now 2.

[unfrgvn]

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on his first offense he would have received 2 missed hands and on the second offense 4 more hands which is much more fair.

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is this something that was impossible to enforce on the fly? you must have known that 5 minutes would have killed his chances, couldnt you have given him a smaller penalty without drastically changing the outcome?

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You can't make things up as you go. The penalty was known and everybody was warned. You can't suddenly say you are not going to enforce a rule like that or change the penalty. That's not fair to everyone else.

[Matt Savage]

The rule has been rounds 1-3 ten minutes and five minutes after that. The real problem is that we have already given this penalty twice before in previous shows and since it is a series it would be unfair to those other players if I did not give the same penalty as they received. Mark Thevis sent me an email and apoigized proving how much of a class individual he is and I hope to see him again some time. I was hoping that the other player would take a little more time to play his hands and give Mark a fighting chance but that was not the case.

[Jetto]

I agree..the show is horrible and I could beat them. the Structure isnt DROP DEAD bad...but damn.

Plus all the people on teh show fold consistebtly saying that the editors dida bad editing job or these donks never raised.


From what I saw thre we NO RAISES just ALLINS or fold.

[UATrewqaz]

My original criticism was probably a little too harsh. There is no doubt you did not WANT to do this.

However I still contend you did not have to.

Yes rules are rules and you can't just change or ignore them in the middle of the event.

But what is the SPIRIT of the rule? Why does it exist? Rules don't exist in a vacuum. They don't magically fall out of the sky. People create them and they create them for reasons.

This particular rule exists to prevent players from acting out of line, such as berating a dealer or another player.

There is a big difference between that and muttering a swear to yourself out of dismay under your breath.

The rule also exists so as the tv people can show every hand, without them being tainted by swearing. But since this is not a live broadcast or anything, you could have just as easily hit the *mute* button in editing room instead of the *beep* one. The viewers at home would have had no idea that anything was said.

[private joker]

Matt -- it's not just editing out the hand that TV does, they actually BLEEP out the cursing (as was done in the program). If a word is bleeped out, what's the difference between it being televised and not being televised?

Secondly, you said that the rule was about "being abusive towards any player, dealer, or tournament staff." Whom was Thevis abusing? He said the curse to the felt out of frustration, not directed towards anyone at all. Why didn't you see this and use your discretion when applying the rule?

Of course Thevis wrote a kind email because it's the classy thing to do. But I guarantee you he doesn't think the ruling was fair. Because it was not.

[Matt Savage]

When I said "being abusive towards any player, dealer, or tournament staff" I am talking about other events, not those that are live or live to tape. This is a situation where television makes the rule and I am the one that has to enforce it.

[jacksquat]

that ending could not be good pr for that show or mansion. i couldn't believe they let the tourney end that way. on another note, i was deeply troubled watching the buxom and comely escorts in their low-cut dresses. shocking!!

[private joker]

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When I said "being abusive towards any player, dealer, or tournament staff" I am talking about other events, not those that are live or live to tape. This is a situation where television makes the rule and I am the one that has to enforce it.

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I'm sorry Matt but this excuse doesn't fly. You're the one who enforces the rules, but you're also the one to interpret the *spirit* of the rule. The rule is in place to *penalize* a player, not eliminate him. He had a 270-30 chip lead and you ended his tournament. Furthermore, the spirit of the rule is to prevent a tournament experience full of vulgar language and bad behavior. This was not the case, as Thevis was a well-behaved, nice player who let the pressure get to him. There is a difference between an unpleasant/undiginified playing environment and a brief case of a mild utterance. Why didn't you take any of this into consideration when applying a punishment?

You could have changed the penalty to 1 minute. You could have penalized him a % of his stack. Anything that didn't forfeit him from the game.

[Jooka]

Matt didn't end his tournament, he did.