Would you vote for Ron Paul? (polltard)

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Nielsio,

Do you think that having RP in office would help advance the cause of freedom in the US?

If you think your vote is useless, do you think helping campaign would be better? To try to educate and mobilize voters to the cause of freedom?

I know you hate democracy (I agree! It's terrible!) but I view it as using the weapon of those who would take my freedom and turning it on them.

I also think it is the fastest and best way to have a chance of actually achieving freedom in my lifetime. Is there a better way?

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Wow, two votes for Ron Paul from Democrats. I honestly thought there wouldn't be any. Do those voters want to share their thinking?

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I'm just as interested in the thoughts of the Republican that said he wouldn't vote for Ron Paul. Doesn't Paul have the most conservative voting record in Congress?

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That was me. I applaud him for considering each issue for himself, but his solutions are awful and, if implemented, would be disastrous.

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Which of his solutions do you think would be disastrous?

[illeagle]

Well as far as my definition of conservative goes, I don't consider the Republican parties current "neoconservative" agenda to be the least bit conservative(letting illegal immigrants flood the country, invading sovereign countries without declaring war, record government spending, quashing civil rights...).

[bobman0330]

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Wow, two votes for Ron Paul from Democrats. I honestly thought there wouldn't be any. Do those voters want to share their thinking?

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I'm just as interested in the thoughts of the Republican that said he wouldn't vote for Ron Paul. Doesn't Paul have the most conservative voting record in Congress?

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That was me. I applaud him for considering each issue for himself, but his solutions are awful and, if implemented, would be disastrous.

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Which of his solutions do you think would be disastrous?

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-abolishing the fed
-instituting a gold standard
-withdrawing from the UN
-getting rid of the income tax (!!)

Those positions are all attributed to him on wikipedia.

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Well as far as my definition of conservative goes, I don't consider the Republican parties current "neoconservative" agenda to be the least bit conservative(letting illegal immigrants flood the country, invading sovereign countries without declaring war, record government spending, quashing civil rights...).

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Well, yeah, many of these reasons are why he bashes the Republicans. Ultimately though, many Republican voters and politicians think we have too much freedom and money and consider the constitution to be "anachronistic" (RP quoted another congress-person saying this in the speech I saw).

Those who do think these things are not going to vote for RP.

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Wow, two votes for Ron Paul from Democrats. I honestly thought there wouldn't be any. Do those voters want to share their thinking?

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I'm just as interested in the thoughts of the Republican that said he wouldn't vote for Ron Paul. Doesn't Paul have the most conservative voting record in Congress?

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That was me. I applaud him for considering each issue for himself, but his solutions are awful and, if implemented, would be disastrous.

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Which of his solutions do you think would be disastrous?

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-abolishing the fed
-instituting a gold standard
-withdrawing from the UN
-getting rid of the income tax (!!)

Those positions are all attributed to him on wikipedia.

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Yes, and these would all be great, great things.

He actually argues the following (from here):

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* Begin publishing the M3 statistics again. Let us see the numbers that most accurately reveal how much new money the Fed is pumping into the world economy.
* Tell us exactly what the President's Working Group on Financial Markets does and why.
* Explain how interest rates are set. Conservatives profess to support free markets, without wage and price controls. Yet the most important price of all, the price of money as determined by interest rates, is set arbitrarily in secret by the Fed rather than by markets! Why is this policy written in stone? Why is there no congressional input at least?
* Change legal tender laws to allow constitutional legal tender (commodity money) to compete domestically with the dollar.


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The most important of these is the last one. I don't care what the fed does with the paper dollar, so long as I can use money backed by a commodity of my choosing.

Withdraw from the UN. It won't matter if RP is prez because we won't be invading or occupying anyone else. If anyone wants to come and screw with us, good luck. We don't need the freaking UN.

Getting rid of the income tax. The constitution originally said that only excise taxes were allowed. To quote Jefferson:
"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government."

RP still would have some tax because he's believes in spending on national defense, police, and courts but it would be very very very low (and probably some kind of sales tax).

[Dan.]

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I'm slightly bothered that you only listed "Republican" or "Democrat" rather than using the lexicon of "conservative" or "liberal." Since I don't identify as a Democrat, I didn't vote in that poll, but I do identify as a liberal and would vote for Ron Paul over many possible candidates.

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Doh, another good point. Man, I suck at making polls. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

If you'd like to vote just pick whichever one is closest to your political view.

When you say you're a liberal d'you mean in the traditional sense (ie libertarian) or current meaning (ie more kinda center-left diet-socialism)? I suspect it's the latter and I'm a bit surprised that you would vote for Ron Paul considering his stand on welfare, health-care, schools, etc.

Edit: For those interested, Ron's election campaign video is here

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I'm a liberal in the jackbooted thug way. Okay, I'm being glib, but I agree with Ron Paul (according to ontheissues.org) 40% of the time, moreso than any other Republican and even ahead of Al Gore, Tom Vilsack, or Bill Richardson as far as Democrats go.

So obviously he's not my ideal candidate, but there's definitely worse, so I'd consider voting for him. OnTheIssues aside, in a race Ron Paul vs. some previously or currently war mongering Democrat, I'd give real thought to Ron Paul if I didn't like the Green candidate. I wouldn't rule him out is all.

[Nielsio]

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Nielsio,

Do you think that having RP in office would help advance the cause of freedom in the US?

If you think your vote is useless, do you think helping campaign would be better? To try to educate and mobilize voters to the cause of freedom?

I know you hate democracy (I agree! It's terrible!) but I view it as using the weapon of those who would take my freedom and turning it on them.

I also think it is the fastest and best way to have a chance of actually achieving freedom in my lifetime. Is there a better way?

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If RP get's to be president, he'll be dead within a week. JFK got into office unexpectedly and he wasn't in line with the interest of the ruling powers. It cost him his life.

Also: RP is a constitutionalist. So he's just for a different kind of slavery.

RP is writing articles like 'get out of Iraq'. 'No war with Iran'. That kind of stuff. But he of all people should understand WHY all that stuff is happening. And he should expose the SCAM. He should expose the people benefitting from it. NOT presenting those guys as misguided but as actively evil.

Turning these debates into a morality debate 'should the govt do this or should the govt do this' is ALWAYS a diversion. And just like the poker thing it has NOTHING to do with a moral issue.

Listen to Barry Greenstein:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HO7AQrsicM

[TomCollins]

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Everything's fine in my land of make believe, so I don't bother with such practical choices in the real word.