Musings on the concept of pride - Page 3

TheGrifter · #21 02-13-2007, 05:59 PM

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Im also very proud of the USA too, I dont se(e) how anyone couldnt be.

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In order to be "proud" of something you have to believe that is superior. Many people (myself included) understand that the United States is not the "greatest country in the world", despite what the spin doctors tell you.

Many of us (myself included) see it as a temporary, destructive force that will be dominant for a (historically speaking) very short period of time.

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This makes me sick to my stomach, actually it really makes me sad, because if the US isnt a domininant force for a very long time, it will be becuase of people like you undermining what those before us have accomplished. When you say spin doctors, you must mean my parents, and grandparents, and a lot of people's hero's, otherwise, dont ever [censored] talk down to me like that again. BTW, what country do you believe is the greatest country in the world?

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No, no, I meant your parents, grandparents, etc. or at least the people who brainwashed them.

What those before accomplished?

Genocide of an entire race? Slavery? Too far back for you? How about the transition to a fully corporate controlled state that uses the concept of globalization to turn the so called "third world" into our own private sweat shop? Ahhhh...progress.

The United States, nearly since it's inception, has been controlled by opportunists who have taken every advantage without regard for decency or the intentions this nation was founded on.

There is no "greatest country". Don't you get it? There are no good nations, only good people, and fewer all the time.

TheGrifter · #22 02-13-2007, 06:02 PM

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I know that at some point, just like everyone else, our country will fail to exist, I just really really hope its not from people who just like to be pseudo-euro socialists, undermining the US.

It doesnt really matter too much I guess if it is the greatest or not, I just have a really really bad hangup for people who love to bitch about the US, saying that we are evil, then go to starbucks, buys a 6$ coffee, as I view much of the neo-hippies and subversives as a bunch of hypocritical douche bags.

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Why don't you just call me a pinko Mccarthy.

Edit to add: This all is a severe thread hijack so I'm not posting any more politics.

limon · #23 02-13-2007, 06:02 PM

pride in something you did not accomplish is a sign of weakness. race, pro sports teams and your "home" country are things you should only be proud of if you're under the age of 9. college sports are different IF YOU ATTENDED THE UNIVERSITY because the success of the athletic program often increases the value of your diploma (which you earned) GO DUCKS!

TheGrifter · #24 02-13-2007, 06:04 PM

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pride in something you did not accomplish is a sign of weakness. race, pro sports teams and your "home" country are things you should only be proud of if you're under the age of 9. college sports are different IF YOU ATTENDED THE UNIVERSITY because the success of the athletic program often increases the value of your diploma (which you earned) GO DUCKS!

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Agreed, partially. While I still think pride derived from your own accomplishments is based in ego-puffing, at least it's not irrational.

guids · #25 02-13-2007, 06:07 PM

Get off your high horse. How old are you? I have mucho respect for the real yippies, hippies, black panthers, yipls, taps, etc. I dont know your background, but 90% of the new generation of protesters, I am 100% right on. They are hypocritical, have no real ideals, and are just there to follow the pack mentality, there is a reason that most of these people I talk about are 20-something, it is because tehy think they know it all, and are easily lead around by the nose, when in reality, half the time they dont even know what they are protesting.

theBruiser500 · #26 02-13-2007, 06:11 PM

I am also conflicted on the subject of pride. With pride it's harder to learn and be open minded. Who else has mixed opinions on this oh so troublesome emotion? Quids do you remember in True Romance the scene about Scicily where Walker says Sicilians are great liars, and there are 17 pantomines to tell if someone is lying, one was "you're telling me everything and showing me nothing" - are there actually 17, what are they?

limon · #27 02-13-2007, 06:12 PM

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pride in something you did not accomplish is a sign of weakness. race, pro sports teams and your "home" country are things you should only be proud of if you're under the age of 9. college sports are different IF YOU ATTENDED THE UNIVERSITY because the success of the athletic program often increases the value of your diploma (which you earned) GO DUCKS!

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Agreed, partially. While I still think pride derived from your own accomplishments is based in ego-puffing, at least it's not irrational.

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whats wrong w/ ego puffing? if it wasnt for ego puffing your mom would have died in childbirth and youd probably have no teeth and be on your way to dying of scurvy right now.

theBruiser500 · #28 02-13-2007, 06:12 PM

"college sports are different IF YOU ATTENDED THE UNIVERSITY because the success of the athletic program often increases the value of your diploma (which you earned)"

limon is this a serious thought? the increased value is tiny in the big scheme.

guids · #29 02-13-2007, 06:14 PM

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I am also conflicted on the subject of pride. With pride it's harder to learn and be open minded. Who else has mixed opinions on this oh so troublesome emotion? Quids do you remember in True Romance the scene about Scicily where Walker says Sicilians are great liars, and there are 17 pantomines to tell if someone is lying, one was "you're telling me everything and showing me nothing" - are there actually 17, what are they?

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Bruiser,

You have traveled the world, done a lot of cool things, but still base your financial decisions on something you saw in a bank lobby, and your perception of a culture of people based on a movie. WTF, my friend?

ps I havent seen the movie.

guids · #30 02-13-2007, 06:18 PM

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pride in something you did not accomplish is a sign of weakness. race, pro sports teams and your "home" country are things you should only be proud of if you're under the age of 9. college sports are different IF YOU ATTENDED THE UNIVERSITY because the success of the athletic program often increases the value of your diploma (which you earned) GO DUCKS!

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pride in something you did not accomplish is a sign of weakness.

college sports are different IF YOU ATTENDED THE UNIVERSITY because the success of the athletic program often increases the value of your diploma

Unless you played a sport, then you are completely contradicting yourself, and calling yourself weak.