President Obama's "Black Value System"

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Is that a bloodhound? I've had two bassets and one of our current dogs is a dachshund. I've always had a fondness for the Hound Group.

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The Black family circle must generate strength, stability, and love despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society.

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I'd like to hear an in-depth explanation of this as well. I get very suspicious when people appear to be criticizing competition as this is a common characteristic of socialists.

Please note that I am not saying this is a socialist document, only that parts of it appear to lean in that direction and I'd like to hear more about it before passing judgement.

(Full disclosure: I am vehemently anti-socialist.)

[troymclur]

what's to explain? US Society has a long history of racism, in particular towards Black Americans. It still exists, albiet to a smaller degree than before.

All it seems to be saying is that the black community must focus on readying it's members for a difficult world.

Oh, and it is an underhanded smear in that no other presidential cannidates (to my knowledge) have had their respective Churches put in the spot light, and placeing this in the national media is sure to stir up those sensitive to any hint at black militarism. Not to say that this manifesto is militant, but a document that strongly focuses on empowering the black community against a racist society is sure to ruffle feathers.

I'm wondering if they're saving the big guns until after the primaries, since this is low calibur mud.

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what's to explain?

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"...these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society."

This quote sounds like a "smear" (to use the Word of the Day) of our competitive capitalist society. I'd like to hear a further explanation of it.

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Oh, and it is an underhanded smear in that no other presidential cannidates (to my knowledge) have had their respective Churches put in the spot light...

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The election is 21 months away. Rest assured that every serious candidate will undergo an anal probe that will make this look like a walk in the park. Why are you so adverse to allowing voters access to information about what makes a candidate tick?

BTW, this is far from President Obama's biggest challenge. For starters he's got a huge Tony Rezko problem.

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A document that strongly focuses on empowering the black community against a racist society is sure to ruffle feathers.

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Truth be told most white folks would embrace an empowered black community. Nobody wants to see others sucking at the hind teat of government largess. Nobody wants to see drugs and violence plague our inner cities. Nobody wants to see babies having babies in an endless cycle of poverty.

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I'm wondering if they're saving the big guns until after the primaries, since this is low calibur mud.

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Perhaps you are too thin-skinned to be a fan of politics if you view this as mud of any sort.

[troymclur]

I think you're reading too far into the statement. Our society is racist, and competitive, but the statment doesn't necessarily mean that competition is a flaw. I read it more as a sort of advice about how a member of the black community is going to have to work harder, and endure more to achieve his/her goals.

I have no problem with information of any canidate getting out, and surely all will get thier due, but you can't deny this is oddly reminicent of the focus McCain recieved in the 2000 primaries. Obama is the clear target here, more so than Hilary IMO, which is surprising. While my mudslinging comment might have been misplaced, targeted information releases still have damaging effects. It's naive to not see how Obama is being singled out among all the cannidates, democrat and republican.

It is my personal experience that there is resentment among the white community whenever anything is focused on the Black community. Often i hear "if it was the White empowerment group, we'd be called racist". Don't fool yourself into thinking that white america would so fully embrace strong coalitions of black empowerment.

[John Kilduff]

I don't see anything wrong with that document, but I must admit to being a bit confused by the part about "middle-class-ness".

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Please explain how posting the entirety of the "Black Values System" (not cherry-picking stuff out of context) and posting an article with his thoughts on it is a "smear."

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Well, for starters, the title of this thread. You said the manifesto was Obama's value system, when it is not. It is an outdated version of the value system of his church. There is no evidence that Obama has adopted any of the weirder elements of the manifesto. Unlike the Christian Right, not everyone is a slave to their religion.

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The Black family circle must generate strength, stability, and love despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society.

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I'd like to hear an in-depth explanation of this as well.

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Well, the first part talks about how families should help their members to succeed. Nothing controversial there. The second part says that our society is racist and competitive. I think that saying our society is racist is a little over the top, but black people certainly have to deal with racism and competitiveness.

[bdk3clash]

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For starters he's got a huge Tony Rezko problem.

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For those interested in this "huge" problem see this Sun-Times article. This story didn't gain much traction when it broke a few months ago, and I don't think it will, but I guess we'll see.

[ShakeZula06]

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I lay in bed and dream of a time in american politics when involment with religions feaks is enough to get you run out of the political arena.


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You and me both brotha

[bisonbison]

Sometimes I get the feeling Obama could win 60% of the national vote.