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02-04-2007, 06:48 PM
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Re: Don\'t Seperate Poker from other forms of Gambling
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Some of the traditional conservatives would like to stand for pro gaming (make your own choice). But all the ones who run for office want to appeal to religious voters. [/ QUOTE ] What exactly is the religious right's beef with online gambling? Are they opposed to capitalism in general? Are they afraid it will cut into their bingo revenue? What is it? Perhaps someone that belongs to that group could answer. [/ QUOTE ] Catholics play Bingo. The religious right does not. Gambling is seen an an enabling activity to greed, lust, etc. They do, however, conveniently ignore the fact that gambling is specifically endorsed in the Bible. Funny how that works. [/ QUOTE ] I know Catholics are not considered the religious right, but they seem to be joining forces with them a lot lately. Anyway, like I said earlier I couldn't find anything in the Bible against gambling, but I couldn't find anything in favor of gambling either. Where does it endorse gambling? Are you talking about Leviticus maybe? 
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02-04-2007, 07:20 PM
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Re: Don\'t Seperate Poker from other forms of Gambling
Don't hijack this thread with that stuff. Repost that in SMP if you want to discuss religious motivations of gambling opponents.
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02-04-2007, 09:03 PM
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Re: Don\'t Seperate Poker from other forms of Gambling
I don't think poker should be seperated from other potentially +EV forms of gambling like card counting in casino blackjack, online casino bonuses, sports betting, etc. Basically, what I am saying is all gambling should be legal because poker is not the only +EV form of gambling and to ban everything but poker would be just a hypocritcal as our crazy f'n government is.
sure ban slots, roulette, and lotteries where no one stands a chance to win long term, but you cant just say "screw the sports betters" because you don't know how to make +EV sports bets.
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#25
02-04-2007, 09:44 PM
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Re: Don\'t Seperate Poker from other forms of Gambling
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Don't hijack this thread with that stuff. Repost that in SMP if you want to discuss religious motivations of gambling opponents. [/ QUOTE ] You're asking him to not hijack his own thread?
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#26
02-05-2007, 12:28 AM
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Re: Don\'t Seperate Poker from other forms of Gambling
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but you cant just say "screw the sports betters" because you don't know how to make +EV sports bets. [/ QUOTE ] We're not saying "screw them". We're just saying we don't gain nearly as much as we lose by hitching our ride to theirs. If we say we are willing to sink or swim with sports and casino betting, we are guaranteed to sink.
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#27
02-05-2007, 12:32 AM
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Re: Don\'t Seperate Poker from other forms of Gambling
I suppose I am more in tune with the so called "religious right" than most posters on here, since I consider myself a Christian. I don't align myself with religious right, however.
Gambling is not specifically outlawed in the Bible. I suppose there are some weak arguments against gambling built on greed, sloth, etc. To my knowledge, it is also not specifically endorsed. Perhaps the poster was thinking of the "drawing of lots" in the Bible. I don't think a few uses of random chance to determine outcomes constitutes a broad endorsement of gambling; clearly the majority of Christians agree with me on that. I think most members of the religious right have a negative view of gambling for two reasons: they believe that it can easily lead to prostitution, theft, violence, addiction, broken families, etc OR they believe it is wrong because their elders and ministers have told them it is. Based on my interactions with many Christians, I think poker is looked on much more favorably than general gambling, like slots or blackjack, for many of the reasons listed by the previous posters. The more money that is involved, however, the more suspiciously they view it. Feel free to ask me questions. I'm really tired right now so I don't think my post is quite up to snuff.
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#28
02-05-2007, 12:34 AM
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Re: Don\'t Seperate Poker from other forms of Gambling
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They understand the difference between players playing against each other in a poker game, and people blowing their mortgage payments on a video slot game where they are doomed to lose long term. [/ QUOTE ] The vast majority of poker players are doomed to lose long term as well. A carve out for poker isn't practical. Are you going to have a Neteller only for poker, bank ACH rules only for poker, visa/mastercard distinguishing between poker sites and gambling sites and poker/gambling combo sites? Once the financial systems for online gambling are knocked out, a carve out for poker isn't going to help.
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#29
02-05-2007, 12:38 AM
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Re: Don\'t Seperate Poker from other forms of Gambling
billmagnet,
Those regs can just as easily omit poker only sites, so a carve-out is practical, as far as workable. It is perhaps less practical as in likely, politically. But if you are correct, then there really wasn't any need for you to post in this thread.
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#30
02-05-2007, 01:01 AM
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Re: Don\'t Seperate Poker from other forms of Gambling
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billmagnet, Those regs can just as easily omit poker only sites, so a carve-out is practical, as far as workable. It is perhaps less practical as in likely, politically. But if you are correct, then there really wasn't any need for you to post in this thread. [/ QUOTE ] BluffThis, you've already told me not to hijack my own thread, even though religion was part of my original post. And now you're telling the one poster that agrees with me, not to post here? What's going on? Like I said before, I appreciate your well reasoned arguments. But this is my thread, not yours.
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