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#21
02-01-2007, 06:59 PM
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Re: i really want to call, 200nl
I'm 4-tabling now, so I'll find the hand in my PT database later. From the looks of it, I'm ahead of 99 like 100% of the time here and people are correct in saying I probably have a set. Especially since this board is so drawless.
EDIT: F Stars for not letting me change my handle. 
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#22
02-01-2007, 07:00 PM
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Re: i really want to call, 200nl
All seriousness though both raising and calling with 99 are fine here depending on the players and flow of the game. But dont say 3 betting 99 sucks when clearly it doesn't just as cold calling has its place.
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#24
02-01-2007, 07:04 PM
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Re: i really want to call, 200nl
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Seriously, tell me why you would 3-bet. I agree with Barry that it's not very good. Maybe not terrible, but almost certainly not optimal. [/ QUOTE ] Because I have a hand that figures to be ahead of his range but would prefer to not have to play guessing games on the flop when overs hit. Even if he calls He is still not messing around on any flops without at least top pair or a good draw which he will likely not get. Lets say he does have us beat pre with a hand like JJ and a king flops. What do you think he is going to do with our CB after we re-raised pre? We basically get control of the pot as well as having position which is a very strong combination. It also makes our hand super easy to play post-flop.
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#25
02-01-2007, 07:47 PM
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Re: i really want to call, 200nl
Just looked at PT, and I had a set.
First, I think there's arguments to be made for raising and calling preflop. I probably raise in your spot 80-90% of the time for reasons Stealthy mentioned. Those of you saying it's ass or spew are crazy though. Nines are way ahead of my range here. You also can't only 3-bet with AA-JJ/AK. Adding in fold equity of me folding a better hand (TT sometimes, JJ and QQ rarely, but I'm in a bad spot OOP) and this is a 3-bet at least half the time. Second, what do you think I'm bluffing with here? You'll never find me in this spot without at least some sort of draw. Considering the lack of a draw outside of 57/79, I have at least TP here.
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#26
02-01-2007, 10:29 PM
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Re: i really want to call, 200nl
[ QUOTE ]
Just looked at PT, and I had a set. First, I think there's arguments to be made for raising and calling preflop. I probably raise in your spot 80-90% of the time for reasons Stealthy mentioned. Those of you saying it's ass or spew are crazy though. Nines are way ahead of my range here. You also can't only 3-bet with AA-JJ/AK. Adding in fold equity of me folding a better hand (TT sometimes, JJ and QQ rarely, but I'm in a bad spot OOP) and this is a 3-bet at least half the time. Second, what do you think I'm bluffing with here? You'll never find me in this spot without at least some sort of draw. Considering the lack of a draw outside of 57/79, I have at least TP here. [/ QUOTE ]If you had a set, you played the hand as badly as you possibly could. You realise this is only good if you opponent is very good at hand reading and likes to make big wtf call downs?
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#27
02-01-2007, 10:51 PM
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Re: i really want to call, 200nl
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[ QUOTE ] Seriously, tell me why you would 3-bet. I agree with Barry that it's not very good. Maybe not terrible, but almost certainly not optimal. [/ QUOTE ] Because I have a hand that figures to be ahead of his range but would prefer to not have to play guessing games on the flop when overs hit. Even if he calls He is still not messing around on any flops without at least top pair or a good draw which he will likely not get. Lets say he does have us beat pre with a hand like JJ and a king flops. What do you think he is going to do with our CB after we re-raised pre? We basically get control of the pot as well as having position which is a very strong combination. It also makes our hand super easy to play post-flop. [/ QUOTE ] Well put Stealthy
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#28
02-01-2007, 11:09 PM
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Re: i really want to call, 200nl
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Just looked at PT, and I had a set. First, I think there's arguments to be made for raising and calling preflop. I probably raise in your spot 80-90% of the time for reasons Stealthy mentioned. Those of you saying it's ass or spew are crazy though. Nines are way ahead of my range here. You also can't only 3-bet with AA-JJ/AK. Adding in fold equity of me folding a better hand (TT sometimes, JJ and QQ rarely, but I'm in a bad spot OOP) and this is a 3-bet at least half the time. Second, what do you think I'm bluffing with here? You'll never find me in this spot without at least some sort of draw. Considering the lack of a draw outside of 57/79, I have at least TP here. [/ QUOTE ]If you had a set, you played the hand as badly as you possibly could. You realise this is only good if you opponent is very good at hand reading and likes to make big wtf call downs? [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i think he's bluffing and i really want to call. what say you? [/ QUOTE ] lol.
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