Warning! The Armageddon Date: 3/1/07. Prepare Yourself.

[Jack Bando]

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fwiw, Even after the UIGEA, many poker sites closing to the US, and the Neteller pullout... The number of players online continues to exceed the numbers before the UIGEA [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

The people who want to play, will find a way!... and there are many global players uneffected by US action.

Follow along, in the Tracking thread

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I am tracking. Stars was at 11554 on Dec 25th 15,608 on Monday 1/15. Their 24 hour peak on Monday 1/29 is 11,722. In just two weeks they're back to around pre holiday totals .

Tilt was 5699 (12/25) 8252 (1/15) and 5857 (1/29) for a return to near pre Holiday totals .

Bodog was 2816 (12/25) ,3925 (1/15) and 2376 (1/29) for a return to pre Holiday totals.

Party was at 9124 (1/15) and 11213 on (1/29) for an increase of close to 22%. Some of it is an increase to 12 tables from 6 and a current bonus.

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Added some more info.

Most of Party's boost probably is due to 12 tabling, sitting at 2 tables counts you twice according to Scout's method.

How much of the Stars/Tilt/Bodog/etc... drop is holiday boost wearing off and how much is loss due to Neteller remains to be seen.

[Yakuman]

As far as the bad players go, they can go to giftcards.com and buy a virtual prepaid card. Or they can go to any Walgreen's and get the Gift2Go cards. In a few months, we'll see plenty of punters, good or bad, deciding to "move" offshore.

[Mondogarage]

Seriously, how many "bad" players will remain motivated enough to get in their car and drive to Walgreens? A lot of losing players are very likely to say "oh well, that's that" and find a new hobby. Ascribing behavior of a generally good player who might run bad for a while, to a school of real fish, is probably not accurate. Folks who are most likely to end up losing their money are also those who are least likely to accept having to take extra steps just to get to lose more money.

[gaboonviper]

Just as I finished posting this Chexx Inc., the organization that processes and sends out all checks for Stars, UB, Absolute and others announced they are pulling from US on 2/2/07. So there will be almost NO WAY for these sites to get your cash to you. All of you will see that my predictions will prove to be true.

[Yakuman]

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Seriously, how many "bad" players will remain motivated enough to get in their car and drive to Walgreens?

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People get their clocks cleaned at local games and come back for more all the time. They've been doing it since at least the Civil War.

Good grief, look at the hugeness of the sportsbook business, which has been in a MUCH bigger legal tar pit since 1961.

People know that playing the games isn't going to get them in hot water. The house absorbs all the legal liability. There will always be loopholes in the legal system, even if it is just Nicaragua Joe.

[dragonystic]

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All of you will see that my predictions will prove to be true.

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$1000 prop?

[Sand]

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5.) More banks will be enforcing the UIGEA making the movement of money to and from the sites harder still. Bank of America and Wachovia have already started, with many more coming soon

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Okay, this is probably a troll, but I'll bite.....

Could you please elaborate on this? I have a Wachovia account that I opened for the sole purpose of transferring money to and from poker sites using Firepay/Netteller. It is also where I have deposited paper checks from poker sites. What exactly are they doing to enforce the UIGEA and how do you know this info?

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The funny part of this is that I just got a check from a sportsbook site drawn on Wachovia Bank. Not sure how much it means, but the irony did strike me.

[Mondogarage]

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Seriously, how many "bad" players will remain motivated enough to get in their car and drive to Walgreens?

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People get their clocks cleaned at local games and come back for more all the time. They've been doing it since at least the Civil War.

Good grief, look at the hugeness of the sportsbook business, which has been in a MUCH bigger legal tar pit since 1961.

People know that playing the games isn't going to get them in hot water. The house absorbs all the legal liability. There will always be loopholes in the legal system, even if it is just Nicaragua Joe.

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I don't really disagree...but...I guess I should explain it this way, and yes, it's all imho...

If you're a bad player, one reason is that you probably haven't actually worked at the game, by taking the time to take any steps beyond the simple act of logging in, transferring money, and then losing. It's all comfort and convenience. Because if you have the inclination to actually work at it, you're (most likely) going to improve.

To me, the natural conclusion of this is that those who aren't willing to work at it are probably not nearly as inclined to have to take that many additional steps to fund their accounts, as that would also be "work". I could certainly be wrong.

[Jack Bando]

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Seriously, how many "bad" players will remain motivated enough to get in their car and drive to Walgreens?

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People get their clocks cleaned at local games and come back for more all the time. They've been doing it since at least the Civil War.

Good grief, look at the hugeness of the sportsbook business, which has been in a MUCH bigger legal tar pit since 1961.

People know that playing the games isn't going to get them in hot water. The house absorbs all the legal liability. There will always be loopholes in the legal system, even if it is just Nicaragua Joe.

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I don't really disagree...but...I guess I should explain it this way, and yes, it's all imho...

If you're a bad player, one reason is that you probably haven't actually worked at the game, by taking the time to take any steps beyond the simple act of logging in, transferring money, and then losing. It's all comfort and convenience. Because if you have the inclination to actually work at it, you're (most likely) going to improve.

To me, the natural conclusion of this is that those who aren't willing to work at it are probably not nearly as inclined to have to take that many additional steps to fund their accounts, as that would also be "work". I could certainly be wrong.

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I see your point, but at the same time I have to give my own view.

There are two kinds of losing players/fish

1)"I'm good! Really, it's bad luck that keeps me from winning the big moneys!" (If I even keep track of records at all)

2)"Maybe I win, maybe I lose, but I love to gamble/play poker!!!"

#1 will try to find a way to put money in, they're "great" players who has a big win coming real soon.

#2 enjoys it too much to stop. It's harder to download MP3s for free compared to 99, but people still find ways to do it.

[Ron-Mexico]

Can you PLEASE PLEASE ban this retard