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Old 06-01-2007, 11:37 AM
Truthiness24 Truthiness24 is offline
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Default Re: Matusow\'s O8 article

I wish someone would disagree with me and tell me why I'm wrong. I'm like the 495th best O8 player that posts here. Maybe. On a good day for me.

There are many more credible voices here than mine. I like to give my two cents, and I think I know what I'm talking about, but I'm really not learning anything or getting much out of this if I don't get feedback.

Or has everything already been said about this?
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Old 06-01-2007, 10:16 PM
DeNutza DeNutza is offline
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Default Re: Matusow\'s O8 article

WOW...interesting post.

Mikes hand sucks..period...The problem with him capping
is he has little straight, no flush potential.

Reverse implied odds will punish him here....This is
same concept to holdem suited connectors, etc, going up
in value multiway and offsuit hands going down in value.

Another problem is, the other last acting players also may
have recognized their hi hands have value now and
called/raised w/ them as well, totally destroying
his "hi card" clumping theory.

He'll be chasing AA, AK, etc too often also.

A pair and flush combos add tremendously to hands like this.
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Old 06-03-2007, 03:45 AM
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Default Re: Matusow\'s O8 article

It's rare that Mike can make a str8 from his 3 cards here without being beaten by a flush. So he must be looking to win primarily with pair(s).

While I think the perspective is worth pondering, as Buzz said, I certainly don't think a 3 card non-flush hand OOP is the one to do it with.

One more thing I haven't seen mentioned, is how the cap inflates the pot and encourages chasers. An A235 hand can call a flop as bad as 5JQ here and probably show a small profit by sometimes makeing 3 fives, aces up, a backdoor wheel or low.
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