bottom two - obv shove?

[callme]

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I would even fold top two here. Why mess around when you are deep stacked and can easily be beaten? He could easily have J10 and if he has a straight draw you're not that big of a favorite.

With a set, I'd shove because you have more outs against a straight.

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Deep stacked?? Are you kidding?
I think i fold bottom two in this spot - if you have no reads on him so he probably neither have on you so he is not going crazy with some overpair or bluff in this spot.

[Senor Choppy]

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ok, so what’s the hand range. Assume we add 77,88 and 98s

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How could you possibly exclude those?

[Big_Jim]

Macbeth: You are still ignoring 56, 79, and diamond draws with a T (which we are a slight dog to).

Furthermore, the hands that you so flippantly add are not exactly insignificant.

[aejones]

this seems like a very very easy fold if you have any hand reading abilities

[aislephive]

I'd consider this a routine fold against most players, top two would be a lot closer. Bottom set = all in, etc. Too many hands beat us here and we've got 4 outs at most when behind and often two outs, and of course occasionally drawing dead. Against any semi bluffing hand we're a slight favorite depending on exactly what he has.

[jlocdog]

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perhaps call, shove safe turn? (if you boat up you can check or weaklead.)

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Thats how I'd have played it.

The only reason I might get more aggro is the stack sizes. Anything larger and I DEFINETLY call/reevaluate.

[FireStorm]

Calling blows, there aren't many "safe" turns and calling is way too much of our stack to simply give up. Folding here is the clear choice. If this isn't a spot to muck bottom two, I can't imagine what is.

[RiverHebrew2]

I'd fold, as ur either drawing to 4 outs (b/c button's range could very easily be 56s or JT, set, or like ATdd which is even $ vs u). You're either 10% to the turn card to catch up or flipping. Fold flop unless uve been b/f a lot of continuation bets or been playing so tight that the others put u only on AQ or AK in ur avg range.

[DLizzle]

this is a pretty easy fold, and I call/shove a lot.

[Macbeth]

2nd attempt. Thanks Jim.

Board: 9c 8d 7d

equity
Hand 0: 42.887% { 8s7s }
Hand 1: 57.113% { KK, JJ-77, AdQd, AdTd, Ad9d, KdQd, KdTd, QTs, JTs, T9s, 97s+, 65s }

If we would drop KK, which I added to mix up for the less strong hands / bluffs that we might se then win% drops to 38.6%, which is probably as bad as it gets.