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#21
01-17-2007, 03:00 PM
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Re: Comments on stud hand requested.
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May sound like one, but tis true. Don't tell me it hasn't happened to you before. I have misfired into several suck outs before. Sometimes it works out great [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. [/ QUOTE ] Then why didnt you discuss this in the OP? TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 
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#23
01-17-2007, 03:21 PM
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Re: Comments on stud hand requested.
I think you can deduce you're beat here with 2nd level thinking.
Your board looks like at least 2 high pair by 6th street. You had to like something initially on 4th (most likely A or Q from his perspective), and then got another Q. Yet he calls 6th. So he's either got a high trips, or one hell of a draw at that point, or he's a moron. The draws seems less than likely given the board and the fact that he had to have something on earlier streets to proceed. Morons happen though. Then he clearly improved on 7th. What happens when you improve trips? How many boats beat 6s-full? I would have been very suspicious when he raised 7th.
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#24
01-17-2007, 03:22 PM
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and we wonder why Carlos and Emery are no longer here. [/ QUOTE ] Who are they? Must be before I started to play non-community card games regularly I assume - I need an education - thanks! TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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#26
01-17-2007, 03:36 PM
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Re: Comments on stud hand requested.
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Speaking for myself, whether I capped 7th or not would've depended on the opponent. Usually, with a boat, I lean strongly towards capping in most all circumstances barring higher open trips, higher paired door, 4 to a straight flush, etc. If he has a boat, he is well, well concealed and that just becomes one of those "nothing you can do about it" moments like flopping set over set or a high flush versus a nut flush in NLHE. A donk who goes berserk with a high 2P or trips, the multiple bets were justified. If the guy is pretty solid, then I guess the river was a call, but it isn't like you can be blamed for betting heavily there. Regarding FPS- Don't worry about any snide comments regarding that. Some players are ABC and cannot conceive advanced plays [/ QUOTE ] Like missing bets when 5th street when it is checked through because there is no evidence that the villain will bet? Thats not advanced, thats pure missing value and nothing more. Don't kid yourself with results, the hero go lucky that the villain bet 5th street but more often than not he will lose value, not gain. Also we are not factoring the times when the hero bets and is raised by the villain, allowing him to 3-bet. Not to mention the fact that a c/r is an action stopper, why the hell would you want to stop action here? I want the villain to call down to the river with his feeble hands, or improve and attempt a raise so we can extract even more value from him! LandonM - You got a nasty chip on your shoulder... and its obvious to most why, you have been proven to give some incorrect advice in your short tenor and it seems to really bug you (mixed with some very sound advice I admit, but you really missed the boat quite a few times). Most sane people learn from others when they discover a falsity in their thinking rather than try to insult the ones who are trying to guide you through to the correct thought process or power their way through to prove to the world that they are always right. Knock that chip off your shoulder and you will not only live a much happier life, you will also improve your game. Cliff notes: Quit being a nasty nit TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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#27
01-17-2007, 04:01 PM
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Re: Comments on stud hand requested.
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On a spike, NEVER Maybe a st8 and flush combo, but never a spike on 5th; and its not debateable on how you play it HU. You gave him a potential free card, a very stupid play. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, the potential to give a free card was there. I think I agree that a bet would be the best move most of the time here. However, in this case, I was fairly sure that the villian would bet if I checked. I don't like saying things like never or always, but rather weighing the situation and making a decision. Understandably, you couldn't know all the variables since you weren't there during the session. Any opinion on the play on the river?
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#28
01-17-2007, 04:03 PM
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Re: Comments on stud hand requested.
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[ QUOTE ] May sound like one, but tis true. Don't tell me it hasn't happened to you before. I have misfired into several suck outs before. Sometimes it works out great [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. [/ QUOTE ] Then why didnt you discuss this in the OP? TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Should have, but I was specifically asking about the play on the river, and whether you guys would have smelled the boat and called rather than re-raise. I wasn't even thinking about fifth street when I made the post - although it seems to have become a hot topic.
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#29
01-17-2007, 04:09 PM
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Re: Comments on stud hand requested.
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I think you can deduce you're beat here with 2nd level thinking. Your board looks like at least 2 high pair by 6th street. You had to like something initially on 4th (most likely A or Q from his perspective), and then got another Q. Yet he calls 6th. So he's either got a high trips, or one hell of a draw at that point, or he's a moron. The draws seems less than likely given the board and the fact that he had to have something on earlier streets to proceed. Morons happen though. Then he clearly improved on 7th. What happens when you improve trips? How many boats beat 6s-full? I would have been very suspicious when he raised 7th. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks. Great analysis here, and in hindsight I think this is what I should have come up with.
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#30
01-17-2007, 04:11 PM
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Re: Comments on stud hand requested.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] May sound like one, but tis true. Don't tell me it hasn't happened to you before. I have misfired into several suck outs before. Sometimes it works out great [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. [/ QUOTE ] Then why didnt you discuss this in the OP? TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Should have, but I was specifically asking about the play on the river, and whether you guys would have smelled the boat and called rather than re-raise. I wasn't even thinking about fifth street when I made the post - although it seems to have become a hot topic. [/ QUOTE ] Generally the entire hand is discussed and often (as I tend to do) I stop once the flaw is found because its pointless to discuss a future street when there are earlier street errors. 5th is far more interesting to me than 7th street, the hand kind of plays itself at that point - The difference between a raise/re-raise and a raise/call is nominal in the long run, Of course in the short run those two extra bets can really make you very happy or very sad. Also think of it this way, if 5th street was played better we might be able to better gauge 7th. In short - don't sweat 7th too much, its far from the worse thing/best thing that can happen. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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