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#21
01-17-2007, 11:03 PM
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Re: 99, Bay 101 100
vs. an unknown i don't like bluffing into less than 9-10bb pots ... it's a 7.5bb pot on the river and we're risking 2bb's.... does he fold something like A7 here? if you're perceived to be weak then i like a raise here if you can include something like that in his range that he could fold...
if they don't know much about you other than your appearance, i like a fold though.... there's probably going to be bigger pots that you might want to take advantage where a missed bluff attempt here might cost you later on... so a fold here isn't terrible.... then again bluffs can work in the oddest of spots... 1 in 3.5 though without a read? i think that might be asking a bit much here.... 
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#23
01-18-2007, 07:39 AM
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Re: 99, Bay 101 100
sometimes live people bet the river without really taking a split second to think about what the card is and what sort of effect it has on their hand. that sounds like the case here. either that or the guy had KT or a set or something and was betting the river to 3 bet. but i think there's enough chance a lag was getting out of line against a stranger with some sort of hand he peeled thin on the flop with, that's just what the turn donk feels like. anything of real value c/res that turn usually.
so why not just call? too much value in making bb fold a J like KsJx. also when you get called showing down 99 here will have the effect of making them more likely to check(-call) with weak hands against you rather than taking shots at you with those hands.
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#24
01-18-2007, 03:37 PM
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Re: 99, Bay 101 100
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so why not just call? too much value in making bb fold a J like KsJx. also when you get called showing down 99 here will have the effect of making them more likely to check(-call) with weak hands against you rather than taking shots at you with those hands. [/ QUOTE ] Mike, I didn't understand your point here. Are you talking about the river or turn (because KJ wins here at showdown). Also, when showing down what do you expect to beat here? Is it your opinion that the BB likely donked the turn with complete air? About the only thing that the OP may beat here is something like K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]x. Will a river call send the message that they can't take shots, or that the OP will pay off? vmacosta, I was also curious as to why you chose to sit in this game this trip down. Did you scout the table or did you just figure it was time to make the move?
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#28
01-18-2007, 05:59 PM
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Re: 99, Bay 101 100
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vmacosta, I was also curious as to why you chose to sit in this game this trip down. Did you scout the table or did you just figure it was time to make the move? [/ QUOTE ] It was a combination of running good lately, the game being 5-handed at the time which is right in my comfort zone (it filled up by the time of the hand posted), and watching an orbit and seeing two players limp preflop and play their hands awful passive post.
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#30
01-19-2007, 03:12 AM
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Re: 99, Bay 101 100
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i thought i answered all that in my previous posts in this thread--? it's not even a bluff necessarily. the guy could have just middle pair on the flop. [/ QUOTE ] If you are raising to make him fold a J if he has one, then you are bluffing, yes? If it turns out that he'll call with middle pair, then you misread him because he wouldn't have folded a J, yes? I would rarely have the stones for a raise here on the (not very good) theory: 1) he probably didn't often catch a J on the turn, 2) at least not as much as he's likely to have just got there on the river.
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