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Re: 10/20 middle PP overpair
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Alright, just for you. But I would like to know why you think I'm wrong and your rite. Just curiosity. We can take this offline if you want. Opinions are encouraged! [/ QUOTE ] well basically ur assumptions are just wrong man. ppl will call river bet here w/ lots of worse hands, and typically wont raise river with them. |
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Re: 10/20 middle PP overpair
TWP: opponent was described as "could show up with anything preflop" rather than tight.
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Re: 10/20 middle PP overpair
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ur still wrong just stop please [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: 10/20 middle PP overpair
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TWP: opponent was described as "could show up with anything preflop" rather than tight. [/ QUOTE ] He was described as being tight postflop. |
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Re: 10/20 middle PP overpair
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he doesnt have ace high (look at the flop) and he can't raise profitably on the river as a bluff because we'll often have an overpair big enough that we won't fold it. with TT, though, we have to fear JJ+. [/ QUOTE ] I think villain could have an ace. I really disagree with your last part though. I don't think many villains will raise QQ for value if we bet. Our TT is the same as AA if we lead and he raises. They're both bluffcatchers. That said, I would usually bet 2/3-3/4 and probably call a raise unless it's very big. If he checked behind turn with a boat, congrats to him. With his wide preflop range, I definitely don't mind a check-call. He can have a few missed straight draws. Depends how likely you think he is to bluff with them, and how likely he is to call with A high on flop and river. Another note: Unless villain has Ace high or a pocket pair, I hate his line. |
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Re: 10/20 middle PP overpair
How can he NOT raise at least AA/KK for value on the river? Even QQ is probably a raise. And don't lower pocket pairs than TT make up a pretty wide part of his range here which he will probably call with but rarely bet or raise?
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Re: 10/20 middle PP overpair
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ur TT is the same as AA if we lead and he raises. They're both bluffcatchers. [/ QUOTE ] I largely agree. but this is a case where our cards can determine our natural calling frequency vs bluffs. as in TT may be equal to AA, but since it may be correct to call just a % of the time, you could say you do always call w/ AA and never with TT, and voila, natural frequency which probably resembles a correct %. |
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Re: 10/20 middle PP overpair
As an additional minor point, even if you think that AA and TT are both bluff catchers, AA is a better bluff catcher than TT. It is not 100% inconceivable (although of course I agree that it would be rare) for him to bluff with JJ to try to move you off of a higher overpair.
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Re: 10/20 middle PP overpair
this is such an easy bet/fold.
villain is calling with 55/77/88/99 and maybe ace high. villain is raising 6x and you can fold. easy stuff |
#30
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Re: 10/20 middle PP overpair
Good grief. Some of you are real nits. This is what some of you guys make out of this. Always under estimating your oponents like this. Wait til you get owned. Let it die along with the hand. Besides, the only you thing you can beat is a bluff.
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