Looking for Uncapped NLHE, PLO or Mixed games (w/badugi) in Vegas

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I discussed this with AJ and Arnold last night, you were mostly correct except that the Wynn's position is that Badugi is not an officially licensed game with the gambling commission anywhere in Las Vegas at this stage. Arnold added that it hadn't been submitted for approval yet. Apparently Bellagio has been spreading Badugi without regard for the commission according to them.

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I can see this going either way. Bellagio must be very confident that it is a draw game. I would tend to agree with this assertion as generally there are draw games, flop games, and stud games.

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Do casinos have to have each variant of a game type approved?

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I discussed this with AJ and Arnold last night, you were mostly correct except that the Wynn's position is that Badugi is not an officially licensed game with the gambling commission anywhere in Las Vegas at this stage. Arnold added that it hadn't been submitted for approval yet. Apparently Bellagio has been spreading Badugi without regard for the commission according to them.

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I can see this going either way. Bellagio must be very confident that it is a draw game. I would tend to agree with this assertion as generally there are draw games, flop games, and stud games.

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Do casinos have to have each variant of a game type approved?

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My understanding is no, but I have never dealt with gaming on this matter. I checked with upper management once when some people came in and wanted to play double flop Omaha and I was told to go ahead and spread it as it was still a flop game.

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My understanding is no, but I have never dealt with gaming on this matter. I checked with upper management once when some people came in and wanted to play double flop Omaha and I was told to go ahead and spread it as it was still a flop game.

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I got the definitive answer this evening at the Wynn. There was some miscommunication about the "unofficially sanctioned game" status of Badugi in Nevada, as Randy pointed out it is in fact a draw game and therefore legal. However Wynn's management is a firm believer that no games deviations will be spread until all staff have been properly trained - anyone who played at the Rio last year would know that this is a surprisingly good thing to hear since the floor and the dealers had no clue how to deal the game.

Oddly enough Badugi rules were handed out to all floor management 2 days ago in preparation for rolling the game out to the staff. Now don't get too excited Badugi fans, this roll out could take weeks, months, or possibly longer - but the goal is to have Badugi high limit games in time for the world series. Remember - there is no guarantee that Wynn will meet this goal, its only the intention of the management. Of course I volunteered to be a crash test dummy while the staff learns [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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However Wynn's management is a firm believer that no games deviations will be spread until all staff have been properly trained - anyone who played at the Rio last year would know that this is a surprisingly good thing to hear since the floor and the dealers had no clue how to deal the game.


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I don't know. I know the first time I saw the game was in a 300-600 mix game in 2001. The DC grabbed me as I was going towards the table and gave me about a 20 second intro to the game and it was pretty easy. I do see a problem if it was spread as a bottom section game, but I doubt there are mnay bottom section players calling for it.

edit to add: I know not all rooms have multiple rotations for the dealers, but I would guess that Wynn does (I know almost nothing abotu the Wynn, I have seen the poker room less than 5 times there).

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Wynn's management is a firm believer that no games deviations will be spread until all staff have been properly trained

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I think it's pretty important that the floor people understand the game. The dealer understanding it is less important. The players can coach the dealer through the mechanics and as long as everybody at the table is understanding it goes well. It's when something odd happens that you really need a floor that knows his stuff. If a card is exposed during the deal, how do you handle it? If folks are arguing over how to read 3-card badugi hands, the floor better know the real rule. Stuff like that which the players have a vested interest in and thus cannot be allowed to "help" the dealer with.

So yes, I want the floor people to grok the games. No, I don't demand the dealers all be experienced.

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Has the $6/$12 mixed game been going also?

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I am going to try and start one saturday afternoon when I am there at the V. I was there in Sept and I played it 3-6 but I dont like that because there is no ante for stud games even though more poeple would be willing to play. 1$ ante with 2$ chips for 6-12 would be nice if they would spread it.

I am thinking something like THEBRO is going to make a good mix a lot of people would play. Come splash

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Wynn's management is a firm believer that no games deviations will be spread until all staff have been properly trained

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I think it's pretty important that the floor people understand the game. The dealer understanding it is less important. The players can coach the dealer through the mechanics and as long as everybody at the table is understanding it goes well. It's when something odd happens that you really need a floor that knows his stuff. If a card is exposed during the deal, how do you handle it? If folks are arguing over how to read 3-card badugi hands, the floor better know the real rule. Stuff like that which the players have a vested interest in and thus cannot be allowed to "help" the dealer with.

So yes, I want the floor people to grok the games. No, I don't demand the dealers all be experienced.

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Bav - from my own experience playing at the WSOP this year, you really don't want a dealer who doesn't have a clue. I used to share the same POV as you, but this experience soured me on the idea of having a resident expert on the floor with a dealer who is a neubie to the game. Also you must be aware that not all players who want to sit in on an odd deviant know the rules themselves. 2 nights ago wer were playing TORSE, and 1/2 the table never played Razz, TD, or Stud 8 before- yet there were requests for Badugi and Chinese Poker from two of them. Lots of people don't think the way we do - they are willing to try new games without some background.

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