Good low limit players. Are there any?

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The best Low limit player I know plays 5-10 in a room that goes up to 20-40 and occasionally 40-80, with Nl caps of 100, 200 and no cap. He could easily play the higher games, but instead chooses the lower games. He just has more fun, and crushes them. He's older with nothing to prove and makes an extra 1000 bucks a month cash in the process. The guys who always question skill level based on limit size never quite get that there are plenty of folks out there who play for fun, and are more conservative with their money.

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I believe this for this one guy. But the vast majority of "skilled" players move up. I've played 3-6 and 4-8 with guys who are now playing 8-16 and 20-40, all they needed was the experience and the bankroll. It would be silly to stay in a 4-8 game with a best case win rate of $20 per hour, when you can make over $30 an hour in 8-16, and $60 an hour in 20-40.

If you are very skilled the only thing keeping you in lower games is bankroll too small to hand the variance. At least that's my excuse

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12.5BB/hr is impossible because a rake exists and the players aren't horrible enough.

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12.5 BB/hr is possible, but not for a large number of hours.

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Obviously I don't think it's impossible to make $100 in a single hour. I was speaking of long-term sustainable winrates.

[HOWMANY]

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I would suspect his normal play nets him around $100/hr.


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lol

[AlienBoy]

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Correction, 2 BB/hour is outstanding, 4BB/hour is practically unsustainable.

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OKay, I'll buy that - I Don't think of myself as a really great limit player, and I may be running hot these last few months - I just assumed a really outstanding player could get as high as 4bb/hr.


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[Mustafa]

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I used to crush 4/8 kill B&M lhe for like $40/hr for like a year, then I moved up.

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Put up or shut up, please post your graph to prove it. And it better be at least 100 hours at a minimum.

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Of course he's not telling the truth, but what graph could he post that you would believe????

[Eric Stoner]

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In 4/8, 4bb/hour is OUTSTANDING. 2bb/hour is pretty good for live.

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Correction, 2 BB/hour is outstanding, 4BB/hour is practically unsustainable.

Guys this topic is as old as poker itself, why are you all trying to reinvent the wheel?

1) BB/Hour is determined over a long period of time, many thousands of hands. Any fluctuations in the process while determining your win rate is caused by variance, the range of the possible swing is the player's standard deviation - the measurement of deviations from the mean. Win rate confidence is the percentage chance that your current win rate lies within a given range of your true earn.The only thing that doesn't take long to determine is the standard deviation, this is usually determined within the first 100 hours or so. You won't begin to get a real picture of your winrate until you log 2,000 or more hours, and even then its statistically far from reality until you start to near 60,000 hours or so. For the ultimate discussion on this matter I recommend you turn to the source, Mason's fantastic book Gambling Theory and other topics, where Mason uses his background as a statistician to explore bankroll management, winrate, and risk of ruin.

As for the OP's guy at commerce, I'd take a guy like that on HU anyday - that low limit player type is usually easy to beat for a skilled player.

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TT, stop using like logic and math and stuff...

it's making my head hurt.

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[HossTheBoss]

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I used to crush 4/8 kill B&M lhe for like $40/hr for like a year, then I moved up.

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Put up or shut up, please post your graph to prove it. And it better be at least 100 hours at a minimum.

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Believe what you want, it was over 400 hours in 2005, early 2006 all at casino AZ, roughly $35/hr... There are many people who know this to be true

[*TT*]

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I used to crush 4/8 kill B&M lhe for like $40/hr for like a year, then I moved up.

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Put up or shut up, please post your graph to prove it. And it better be at least 100 hours at a minimum.

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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Believe what you want, it was over 400 hours in 2005, early 2006 all at casino AZ, roughly $35/hr... There are many people who know this to be true

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Sir:

I am 75% sure your a donkey and you don't even know it, and 80% sure you don't keep records - if you did then I want you to post the records because I don't believe you.

Let me restate this, I believe you think you were a 5 BB/hour winner, but in reality you were not. Because if you won 5BB/hour in that game over 400 hours then you are the all time winningest hold'em player, and I highly doubt that is true.

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[flavio321]

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I used to crush 4/8 kill B&M lhe for like $40/hr for like a year, then I moved up.

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Put up or shut up, please post your graph to prove it. And it better be at least 100 hours at a minimum.


TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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Believe what you want, it was over 400 hours in 2005, early 2006 all at casino AZ, roughly $35/hr... There are many people who know this to be true

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Sir:

I am 75% sure your a donkey and you don't even know it, and 80% sure you don't keep records - if you did then I want you to post the records because I don't believe you.

Let me restate this, I believe you think you were a 5 BB/hour winner, but in reality you were not. Because if you won 5BB/hour in that game over 400 hours then you are the all time winningest hold'em player, and I highly doubt that is true.

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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would you believe that i sustained a 4bb/h for roughly 3 months or 180 hours of live play at foxwoods 2 years ago?

[Matt Williams]

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I used to crush 4/8 kill B&M lhe for like $40/hr for like a year, then I moved up.

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Put up or shut up, please post your graph to prove it. And it better be at least 100 hours at a minimum.


TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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Believe what you want, it was over 400 hours in 2005, early 2006 all at casino AZ, roughly $35/hr... There are many people who know this to be true

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Sir:

I am 75% sure your a donkey and you don't even know it, and 80% sure you don't keep records - if you did then I want you to post the records because I don't believe you.

Let me restate this, I believe you think you were a 5 BB/hour winner, but in reality you were not. Because if you won 5BB/hour in that game over 400 hours then you are the all time winningest hold'em player, and I highly doubt that is true.

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would you believe that i sustained a 4bb/h for roughly 3 months or 180 hours of live play at foxwoods 2 years ago?

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I believe it. I went on a run like for 6 months. I quit my full time job and started working part time but the company wouldn't let me work full time for 3 months. Was planning on getting a 2nd part time job but instead ended up playing 4/8 at the Trop in AC on the weekends. Ended up making $4,700 profit in 6 months just playing poker. Ironically, as soon as I started working full time, my win rate PLUMMENTED and haven't won sh!t since.