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#21
12-02-2006, 01:50 PM
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Re: 1/2 Stars QQ, deep, interesting
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Why do you frequently check flops with pairs? Why did you check this specific flop with QQ? Theres a very good chance he has a pair 77-JJ as well as AK/AQ type hands on the flop. As played, I think the river is a fold though. But you did put yourself in a tough spot IMO. [/ QUOTE ] He frequently checks paired flops 
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#22
12-02-2006, 01:55 PM
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Re: 1/2 Stars QQ, deep, interesting
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[ QUOTE ] Why do you frequently check flops with pairs? Why did you check this specific flop with QQ? Theres a very good chance he has a pair 77-JJ as well as AK/AQ type hands on the flop. As played, I think the river is a fold though. But you did put yourself in a tough spot IMO. [/ QUOTE ] He frequently checks paired flops [/ QUOTE ] Whats the difference between this flop and an unpaired rag flop?
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#24
12-02-2006, 02:05 PM
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Re: 1/2 Stars QQ, deep, interesting
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I dont get the theory behind this. How does checking this flop convert a 3street hand to a 2street hand? I see how there are only 2 streets left, however by betting a flop you get the same deal if you wish (bet flop, check turn or bet flop, bet turn and folding to a raise for instance) only with a lot more info about your opponents hand and thus much much more potcontrol. So i dont think that argument stands, and fwiw i think any move (in this case the flopcheck) where you give away control of a pot, and thus essential info that crystallises the action to take, is about one of the most valuelosing moves one can make in NLHE. [/ QUOTE ] I really wish you and everybody else who thinks this way would let got of this magical idea of betting for [censored] INFO. That is not a good reason to bet. Our goal here as with every hand is to maximize our expectation. Checking and many flops in position after the preflop action really helps accomplish that very idea. This is why. Betting the flop will often times fold out hands like 77-99 that were only playing for set value but will now give action on many turns through bluffs or calls. If we check,bBig suited cards like AQ/KQ/AK may now lead blank turns which is an easy call for us and makes us money from those hands when we might not have. Checking the flop also helps disguise our hand which leads to FTOP mistakes which is always a good thing. This is not to say that betting the flop is not a +EV move, but the bottomline is that checking is likely much more +EV. We all need to avoid playing hands the easy way.
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#26
12-02-2006, 02:11 PM
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Re: 1/2 Stars QQ, deep, interesting
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I think villain played most hands badly if he is ahead, unless he got there on the turn with 22. River is a SUPER SUPER EASY FOLD if villain is anywhere near good as the only semi bluff just got there. anyway, people need big hands to make big bets in deep pots so I would probably just give QQ up, especially as JJ / TT is not going to be c/ring like this and betting river like this. There is no hand you beat imo. I think turn call is sketchy but probably okish. [/ QUOTE ] I agree w/ this true makes poker seem so easy sometimes
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#29
12-02-2006, 03:21 PM
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Re: 1/2 Stars QQ, deep, interesting
I basically checked on flop because I don't really want to play a huge pot here, and I think I can get a satisfactory amount in on turn/river. I check a lot on flops like this because most of the time, I don't have much there, but I tend to get action ... because the guy calling the preflop raise doesn't understand how it helps you.
I think I maybe bet too little on turn, and may have induced h im to play more unpredictably. I folded the river Anyway, I guess I'll agree with you guys that by checking behind here, and doing some of the other weird things I do, I put myself in tough spots, but most of the time, I like being in them because if you can handle them right, they're very +EV.
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#30
12-02-2006, 03:23 PM
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Re: 1/2 Stars QQ, deep, interesting
im folding river.
if hes a solid TAG you are gonna be seeing 222 and 333 here quite often.
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