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#21
11-07-2006, 04:05 PM
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Re: a pot control+value line against a 2p2er.
Huh? cero, draws aren't ever going to bluff him out - he's going to call the river almost regardless of what comes. I've done this and seen it done with hands as weak as AJ high.
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#22
11-07-2006, 05:35 PM
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Re: a pot control+value line against a 2p2er.
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Hey DJ, This looks fine, though very thin. What you get from it (and I think you know this but others here don't) is that it shuts down draws from bluffing the river, when they would've bluffed you out. The only thing I don't totally agree with from your post is that I would not put another penny into the pot after this, so I would not be calling or raising a river bet from him if I didn't improve. [/ QUOTE ] Yea, basically I figure against an aggressive opponent I can set my price for showdown here. I can either call turn and call river (meh) or raise turn and check behind river. I don't think he'll 3-bet this turn against me unless I have 0-3 outs, and I can easily fold. I also don't think he'll bet the river without a hand that beats me. When I suggested that I might raise the river, that would probably mean a bluff-raise because I sensed weakness, but I don't think I'd choose to do that too often here.
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#24
11-07-2006, 05:49 PM
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Re: a pot control+value line against a 2p2er.
this one was perfectly played by you, but it was played perfectly b/c of our specific history. On the hand a few months ago when you stacked me in a 700bb pot, I took this exact flop/turn line, and you said that this flop/turn line was almost always a weak hand. Because you said that, and then took this line in this particular spot, I figured you for an absolute monster (AA, KK, maybe AK) and I thought that you were for sure going to value bet the river, and b/c of that if I hit my flush was absolutely going to get paid off. nh
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#26
11-07-2006, 07:07 PM
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Re: a pot control+value line against a 2p2er.
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Hey DJ, This looks fine, though very thin. What you get from it (and I think you know this but others here don't) is that it shuts down draws from bluffing the river, when they would've bluffed you out. [/ QUOTE ] So... call the river then?
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#27
11-07-2006, 07:48 PM
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Re: a pot control+value line against a 2p2er.
standard
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#28
11-07-2006, 07:51 PM
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Re: a pot control+value line against a 2p2er.
when I say standard, I mean:
This play is fine (a) The typical play would be to bet the flop (b) However, if I didnt, and I certainly wouldnt need to, I like hte turn raise better then folding and calling. Id probably make it slightly more, though If he calls this, and leads the river, you're not calling tho. I wouldnt mind bluff pushing (if he bets river) on a 3 or 4, but aside from that, call > raise for almost all rivers (if you intend on putting in money)
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#29
11-07-2006, 07:56 PM
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Re: a pot control+value line against a 2p2er.
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If it was a pot-control line, you'd call the turn, then call the river. As is, I feel it's a spew line - and you will get re-bluffed here a lot since he knows you don't have a monster (unless you have 34). [/ QUOTE ] explain please
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#30
11-07-2006, 07:57 PM
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Re: a pot control+value line against a 2p2er.
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[ QUOTE ] If it was a pot-control line, you'd call the turn, then call the river. As is, I feel it's a spew line - and you will get re-bluffed here a lot since he knows you don't have a monster (unless you have 34). [/ QUOTE ] explain please [/ QUOTE ] AA KK 55 AK A5 K5 all bet the flop
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