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#21
11-04-2006, 02:16 PM
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Re: 25/50 Re-raised pot with AK
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] easy easy fold. you're drawin to 2 outs at best. [/ QUOTE ] not felting AK here basically dictates never reraising any hands other than QQ-AA. [/ QUOTE ] huh? [/ QUOTE ] meant to add or as total steals against people who'll fold too much 
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#22
11-04-2006, 02:17 PM
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Re: 25/50 Re-raised pot with AK
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] easy easy fold. you're drawin to 2 outs at best. [/ QUOTE ] not felting AK here basically dictates never reraising any hands other than QQ-AA. [/ QUOTE ] I think you meant to say "Villain never making this move with a worse hand dictates a fold now, regardless of the preflop action." [/ QUOTE ] you realize that both of those statements are compatible, right?
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#23
11-04-2006, 02:20 PM
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Re: 25/50 Re-raised pot with AK
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I think that logic is flawed FWF. I also fold here. [/ QUOTE ] Um...no it's not. I wasn't saying call, I was saying if you fold here you shouldn't be reraising AK. It's not like the board is KQJ or KJ2 or KQ3: if you can't felt AK on this board given this action you shouldn't be reraising this villain's EP raise with AK. [ QUOTE ] Does people even see that this is _9_handed and that the guy raised UTG+1 and called a reraise? Wtf are you putting him on, QQ/JJ that is c/r:ing as bluff? [/ QUOTE ] I didn't see it was 9-handed. That doesn't change much other than strengthening the argument for not reraising in the first place.
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#26
11-04-2006, 02:31 PM
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Re: 25/50 Re-raised pot with AK
How likely do you think He's gonna call your pre flop reraise out of position with AA KK ?? the more likely he is, the more likely I like a fold better. It's pretty close and you have to fold sometimes those. BUT not too often !!
But, if by calling I show that I won't let myself be pushed around and won't be bluff Ever, this can add a little for how close it was and could makes descision easier next time ...
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#28
11-04-2006, 02:48 PM
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Re: 25/50 Re-raised pot with AK
to add 1 thing, i think bet-folding in this spot is really bad. i'm usually checking behind. if you bet, it should be because you decided ahead of time you were either beating him into the pot with a call, or folding instantly (which obv depends on the opp and a ton of other things). however, if you take the hand in a vacuum at the turn decision, it's a fold.
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#29
11-04-2006, 03:05 PM
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Re: 25/50 Re-raised pot with AK
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] combine to narrow his range to AK KK or AA, IMO. [/ QUOTE ] only $2650 to call for a ~$9000 pot? Board: Kc 7h 2s equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 32.3727 % 02.61% 29.76% { AcKh } Hand 2: 67.6273 % 37.87% 29.76% { KK+, AKs, AKo } [/ QUOTE ] $4250 in the pot makes it $2650 to win $6900. 2.6 to 1 dictates a call if he is equally likely to push holding AK, AA, KK. If we weight AA heavier or throw in 77 and 22, equity for AK drops to as little as 20%. [/ QUOTE ] I believe I made a mistake here. If his range is equally AK, AA, or KK, I should mathematically fold. I have to call $2650 to collect my $2250 in pot equity. (32.5% of $6900) [/ QUOTE ] This is wrong. You are calling $2650 for a final pot of $9555 (IIRC), which means your equity is 27.7%. I would call, but it is kind of a shtty spot. But I do agree with others saying that if you are not comfortable with this flop after RRing AK, then don't do it.
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#30
11-04-2006, 03:08 PM
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Re: 25/50 Re-raised pot with AK
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[ QUOTE ] How is this not an easy call? [/ QUOTE ] how is this not an easy fold? [/ QUOTE ] What beats us here? AA, KK, 77 and 22. (two pair is so unlikely I won't consider them) Hero makes a huge re-raise out of position, and villain just calls. How often do we see this from 22? probably never. 77? more often than 22, but probably not much. So really we are only concerned with AA or KK. However, with a K high flop, and us holding both an A and K, doesn't that make QQ or JJ also possible holdings for villain? obviously a lot of the decision is villain dependent and how villain sees you, but I think villain could very well be making a move with less than a set or AA, such as QQ or JJ. this depends a lot on how much hero re-raises preflop..... but with the given stack sizes, and hero already putting in his raise, I think we need to call here.
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