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#21
10-30-2006, 03:03 PM
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Re: I folded this before on Party but am lost now on Stars (100NL)
Bet more like $14-15 into the pot rather than telling villain "the only play you have if you have a draw of some sort is to push allin and make me fold" PSB. As played I would have to fold to this flop raise.
Black-Swan: Betting $6-7 you may as well open muck instead. 
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#22
10-30-2006, 03:20 PM
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Re: I folded this before on Party but am lost now on Stars (100NL)
The standard thing people say is "with the donks at NL100, I never fold here".
Sorry, do you people actually play 100NL? Lots and lots of the time TPTK is ng here. YOU end up being the donk in the hand when he shows a better hand. Not 10 minutes ago I called in this exact spot v. QQQ. I WAS THE TPTK DONK, not the other guy! If you're gonna call on the basis of a decent read, that's fine. But IMO v. an average 100NL player TPTK isn't good enough here often enough.
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#24
10-30-2006, 03:55 PM
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Re: I folded this before on Party but am lost now on Stars (100NL)
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The standard thing people say is "with the donks at NL100, I never fold here". Sorry, do you people actually play 100NL? Lots and lots of the time TPTK is ng here. YOU end up being the donk in the hand when he shows a better hand. Not 10 minutes ago I called in this exact spot v. QQQ. I WAS THE TPTK DONK, not the other guy! If you're gonna call on the basis of a decent read, that's fine. But IMO v. an average 100NL player TPTK isn't good enough here often enough. [/ QUOTE ] I'd call here vs an unknown at 200NL and 400NL and any level rly, and vs most "TAGs" at those levels too
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#25
10-30-2006, 04:34 PM
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Re: I folded this before on Party but am lost now on Stars (100NL)
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You are making the game far too complicated if you want to fold here. [/ QUOTE ] It's just a crappy position vs a total unknown on a relatively scary board; if he has AQ/A7/Q7/77 you are totally hosed, and even if he has a combo draw like KdJd or QdTd you are barely a favorite (and in some cases a dog) to win the hand. I wouldn't say I'm making it complicated, but there are certainly better spots to get allin with TPTK than this.
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#26
10-30-2006, 04:39 PM
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Re: I folded this before on Party but am lost now on Stars (100NL)
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I'd call here vs an unknown at 200NL and 400NL and any level rly, and vs most "TAGs" at those levels too [/ QUOTE ] This is really suprising; what are you putting villains on that often enough this can be a good call? AJ? QJ? QK?
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#27
10-30-2006, 05:09 PM
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Re: I folded this before on Party but am lost now on Stars (100NL)
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I'd call here vs an unknown at 200NL and 400NL and any level rly, and vs most "TAGs" at those levels too [/ QUOTE ] With 6 people seeing the flop you think TPTK is good here? All I can say is you must have better table selection than me. I'm ALWAYS getting drilled by 2 pair or a set here.
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#28
10-30-2006, 05:12 PM
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Re: I folded this before on Party but am lost now on Stars (100NL)
Too many people saw the flop.
Bet ~$15 and fold to a pot sized raise. AQ A7 QQ 77 are the likely hands that beat you. All you really beat is a flush draw, or something like JT diamonds which you are just a slight favorite against 12 outs twice.
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#30
10-30-2006, 05:14 PM
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Re: I folded this before on Party but am lost now on Stars (100NL)
Remember that villain that stacked you with A3o when you had KK.
He still plays. TPTK/TPGK is one the the most undervalued hands in SSNL/uNL.
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