Party 750k Hand - KK on Button w/ action in front

[nath]

You're almost always ahead of MP1 there. Nobody plays AA "second-hand low" online. It's some idiot who thinks there's a pot to be stolen and he has some kind of hand (I would have guessed a small-mid pair, but A4s sounds about right.)
No reason to think you're not ahead of MP2, either, since reraising hands are still wide enough to not be limited to AA.
See, if you had pushed, you might have gotten heads up with the jacks and doubled up. Instead, you wasted a big hand because you got scared.

[Black Aces 518]

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Hand update:

Hero decides to call.

Blinds fold, UTG raiser folds, UTG+1 folds.

MP1 pushes all-in (!)

MP2 calls all-in.

Hero??

So now this is starting to look like a $5R ;-)

What range do you put these guys on? Does the fact that this is the 750k and not a $10/$20 enter into your thinking?
Can you lay down here?

HC

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AUGH. This is getting close to the threshold for me to muck KK. In a $10 or $20, no way. In a $350 tourney, I at least have to think about it. I hate situations like this, where it feels like my choices are to call and see the obvious AA or fold and see AK and AK and vomit and kill my dog.

[nath]

It might be a $350, but it's on Party. Does it have satellites? Is it still early? If both answers are yes, disregard concerns that opponents might be skilled enough to only have AA here.

[The Real DeCoy]

^^Playing scared is pointless. The money is gone once the tourney starts so you might as well play for keeps. That could be the only break that you see in the 1st 2 hours of the tourney and most likely is the best hand. I don't care what the buy-in is, the liklihood that the 1 hand that can completely smoke you is out there is so small that you may as well fold your nuts into a vagina if you are going to fold your cards.

If you go out against AA are you going to be upset with yourself? I'm not.

[Ansky]

Pushing isn't all that great. You miiiiiiiiiiight get a call out of JJ or AK, but not very likely. You probably get QQ but not necessarily. I think you need to call, and see a flop to maximize the chance you stack someone.

[nath]

Possibly, but you're already dealing with two raises and the pot is a decent percentage of your stack.
Do you call the second time when the action comes back around the way it did in this particular hand?

[Ansky]

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Do you call the second time when the action comes back around the way it did in this particular hand?

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What do you mean?

[nath]

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What do you mean?

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Hand update:

Hero decides to call.

Blinds fold, UTG raiser folds, UTG+1 folds.

MP1 pushes all-in (!)

MP2 calls all-in.

Hero??

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[Ansky]

Oh, [censored]. Ummmm I guess I call, but I have been known to fold KK preflop before :/

[Black Aces 518]

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^^Playing scared is pointless. The money is gone once the tourney starts so you might as well play for keeps. That could be the only break that you see in the 1st 2 hours of the tourney and most likely is the best hand. I don't care what the buy-in is, the liklihood that the 1 hand that can completely smoke you is out there is so small that you may as well fold your nuts into a vagina if you are going to fold your cards.

If you go out against AA are you going to be upset with yourself? I'm not.

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I didn't mean that I was more scared to lose $350 than the $10 or $20, I meant that most of the donks in a $10 could care less, but I wouldn't expect someone who ponied up $350 to donk completely out here. I think a reasonable MP2 has AA here a lot. Remembering my foray into the Stars $215 and how bad the play was, that might shift me to a call. But, there has been a raise, call, reraise, push, call in front. That's a lot.