Basic AK situation I froze on, NL100 - Page 3

dregal · #21 09-19-2006, 12:15 PM

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I like just calling preflop because you don't want to play a big pot here. Reraising builds a large pot.

On the flop, I would check, planning to check-raise allin. If someone has a king, they will almost surely bet it and you can push, hoping to get called by a worse king or flush draw. If it is checked around, that's fine too because it will keep the pot small, and you can bet the turn.

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It is very bad thing for this flop to check around. We are OOP for the entire hand (and its multiway), and with a board this drawy there are way to many scare cards that can come on the turn.

If you check, what is your plan on a 9,J,Q, or [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] turn?

PocketElevens · #22 09-19-2006, 12:16 PM

I dont want to see a flop OOP with AKs since im missing 65% of the time. Id make it $15 here. Then Id lead for $25 on this flop knowing that you're not getting raised by junk.

jakeduke · #23 09-19-2006, 12:16 PM

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I like just calling preflop because you don't want to play a big pot here. Reraising builds a large pot.

On the flop, I would check, planning to check-raise allin. If someone has a king, they will almost surely bet it and you can push, hoping to get called by a worse king or flush draw. If it is checked around, that's fine too because it will keep the pot small, and you can bet the turn.

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?? I thought I didn't want to play a big pot here...

Hince · #24 09-19-2006, 12:18 PM

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Re-raise pre-flop and lead any flop for 3/4 pot. If you are called or raised you are beat over 90% of the time against the average NL$100 player.

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I love this line.

Wht_Rbt · #25 09-19-2006, 12:26 PM

Ok, maybe a checkraise isn't the right play. What happens if we lead the flop and are raised? What about check/call?

Oubliette · #26 09-19-2006, 12:32 PM

OK without looking at anyone elses posts.

I think both a RR and a smooth call are fine, early in a session i might lean more towards a call PF.

Looking at the flop, i think i make a nice PSB, i dont want to let the PFR take a free card with his AQ/Broadway cards and two pair/ straight me into oblivion.

I think a worse king always pays off here, since almost any king that is raising you PF has gutshot outs.

I dont really care for a C/R in this spot, unless we have a decent read on the guy that he likes to cb quite a bit. Looking at responses now.

jakeduke · #27 09-19-2006, 12:34 PM

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Ok, maybe a checkraise isn't the right play. What happens if we lead the flop and are raised? What about check/call?

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If my flop lead gets raised I'm dumping this in a heartbeat, as any raise makes me more or less committed to the hand. Even if it's just a minraise and I call, the pot is like 68 and I have about 70 left in my stack. Then I'm OOP where I'm very likely behind with only 5 cards I'm happy to see.

There's no way I'm check/calling the flop either, for a few reasons:
1) I have a pretty good hand right now, and I really don't want it to get checked around. I want the hand to end on the flop.
2) If I check and call, did I learn anything about villain's hand?
3) What do I do on a diamond turn? A 9/j/q turn?

True · #28 09-19-2006, 12:42 PM

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Ok, maybe a checkraise isn't the right play. What happens if we lead the flop and are raised? What about check/call?

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If my flop lead gets raised I'm dumping this in a heartbeat, as any raise makes me more or less committed to the hand. Even if it's just a minraise and I call, the pot is like 68 and I have about 70 left in my stack. Then I'm OOP where I'm very likely behind with only 5 cards I'm happy to see.

There's no way I'm check/calling the flop either, for a few reasons:
1) I have a pretty good hand right now, and I really don't want it to get checked around. I want the hand to end on the flop.
2) If I check and call, did I learn anything about villain's hand?
3) What do I do on a diamond turn? A 9/j/q turn?

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I woulde raise this flop as pfr with any 2 diamonds, almost any gutshot and mayeb any 2 cards.

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Godfather80 · #29 09-19-2006, 12:45 PM

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Ok, maybe a checkraise isn't the right play. What happens if we lead the flop and are raised? What about check/call?

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If my flop lead gets raised I'm dumping this in a heartbeat, as any raise makes me more or less committed to the hand. Even if it's just a minraise and I call, the pot is like 68 and I have about 70 left in my stack. Then I'm OOP where I'm very likely behind with only 5 cards I'm happy to see.

There's no way I'm check/calling the flop either, for a few reasons:
1) I have a pretty good hand right now, and I really don't want it to get checked around. I want the hand to end on the flop.
2) If I check and call, did I learn anything about villain's hand?
3) What do I do on a diamond turn? A 9/j/q turn?

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I woulde raise this flop as pfr with any 2 diamonds, almost any gutshot and mayeb any 2 cards.

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Really? With J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] you, as the preflop raiser, raise this flop against an unkown? I think you lose a lot of money this way.

True · #30 09-19-2006, 12:45 PM

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Ok, maybe a checkraise isn't the right play. What happens if we lead the flop and are raised? What about check/call?

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If my flop lead gets raised I'm dumping this in a heartbeat, as any raise makes me more or less committed to the hand. Even if it's just a minraise and I call, the pot is like 68 and I have about 70 left in my stack. Then I'm OOP where I'm very likely behind with only 5 cards I'm happy to see.

There's no way I'm check/calling the flop either, for a few reasons:
1) I have a pretty good hand right now, and I really don't want it to get checked around. I want the hand to end on the flop.
2) If I check and call, did I learn anything about villain's hand?
3) What do I do on a diamond turn? A 9/j/q turn?

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I woulde raise this flop as pfr with any 2 diamonds, almost any gutshot and mayeb any 2 cards.

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Really? With J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] you, as the preflop raiser, raise this flop against an unkown? I think you lose a lot of money this way.

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i dont. its an easy fold if raised and we fold a shittoneneeeee of better hands. its very unlikely if we call that TJ pays us off any more unless it improves anyway.

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