Yahoo sports breaks USC/Bush Scandal

[MEbenhoe]

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Well at least Bush won't be the first USC running back to lose his Heisman.

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zing

[mmbt0ne]

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Its amazing we cant have a system where student athletes get some compensation for their efforts.

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Other than free tuition, free housing, better dining halls, all the power bars and protein powder they can carry, hundreds of dollars in per diems for every away game/meet with hotel paid for, and thousands of dollars in gifts for bowl game appearences?

[mmbt0ne]

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I certainly don't care. Seems like he got the money after he declared. IOW, he was already all but guaranteed millions of dollars. Why not let him get an advance on it?

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This all took place in spring of 2005

[Karak567]

If the NCAA were to hand out compensation, it would turn into the NFL minor leagues. IS that really what you want?

[mason55]

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Its amazing we cant have a system where student athletes get some compensation for their efforts.

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Other than free tuition, free housing, better dining halls, all the power bars and protein powder they can carry, hundreds of dollars in per diems for every away game/meet with hotel paid for, and thousands of dollars in gifts for bowl game appearences?

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Exactly. At a private institution like USC, you figure that a 4 year scholorship plus everything else they get is easily worth $200k+

[damaniac]

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Its amazing we cant have a system where student athletes get some compensation for their efforts.

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Other than free tuition, free housing, better dining halls, all the power bars and protein powder they can carry, hundreds of dollars in per diems for every away game/meet with hotel paid for, and thousands of dollars in gifts for bowl game appearences?

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This is somewhat misleading, depending on the particular player. For the top prospects (ie Bush), the "education" really isn't worth very much. But for the system imposed on him, Bush would be playing either in some paid minor league and then into the NFL rather than getting a practically worthless degree (not mocking USC or anything, but for these guys, that degree is at best something to be used if he completely bombs out, and even then I wonder what an athlete's degree is worth when seeking employment). They don't value the education as much as regular students simply because some of them aren't using it as a stepping stone to a career the way most of us are.

Another way is to look at how that compensation is determined. Instead of using market forces to determine pay, we impose a system upon them. There's very little alternative for an aspiring football player if he wants to work his way into the NFL (can do CFL or Arena I guess, but those lack the exposure). So they have to enter this system where the rules limit compensation in a monopolistic way which locks everyone in and prevents supply and demand from driving compensation. So pretending that this compensation is worth 200k when they are worth far more (and the value they get out of their "payment" is far less than it would be for a regular student) is misleading.

That being said, I don't want a professional system, at least not as associated with colleges.

[mmbt0ne]

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This is somewhat misleading, depending on the particular player. For the top prospects (ie Bush), the "education" really isn't worth very much.

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Many a top prospect has never received one paycheck from an NFL team. I think that's worth pointing out here.

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Another way is to look at how that compensation is determined. Instead of using market forces to determine pay, we impose a system upon them. There's very little alternative for an aspiring football player if he wants to work his way into the NFL (can do CFL or Arena I guess, but those lack the exposure). So they have to enter this system where the rules limit compensation in a monopolistic way which locks everyone in and prevents supply and demand from driving compensation. So pretending that this compensation is worth 200k when they are worth far more (and the value they get out of their "payment" is far less than it would be for a regular student) is misleading.

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I disagree that the value they get out of their payment is worth less than the $200k a normal student would spend. It is much much higher for the reasons you give. Nothing is stopping a recruit from playing somewhere else, getting paid, and then trying to move into the NFL. No one is blocking people from setting up a football league with NFL style rules and no age limit that could act as a minor league.

However, these recruits choose time and time again to go to college, because of the exposure. The exposure is what makes people want to play college football. The exposure is what gets you a roster spot on Sundays. The exposure is what gets you $50M in endorsements.

That alone is worth MUCH more to a 5-star recruit than whatever couple hundred grand they could make in 3 years in a lesser league. Also, for the other 99% of the players, the players who stand no chance at pro ball, the college education is definitely worth it to them.

[CarlSpackler]

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Its amazing we cant have a system where student athletes get some compensation for their efforts.

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Other than free tuition, free housing, better dining halls, all the power bars and protein powder they can carry, hundreds of dollars in per diems for every away game/meet with hotel paid for, and thousands of dollars in gifts for bowl game appearences?

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Exactly. At a private institution like USC, you figure that a 4 year scholorship plus everything else they get is easily worth $200k+

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Yea, but the problem is a lot of these kids don't have any spending money and they're not allowed to have jobs. Most kids don't have rich parents, a lot of them come from single parent low income families. Without booster $$$, a lot of these kids would literally not have the $$$ to order a pizza or go to the movies.

I favor a stipend, something like $200/month for D1A players on scholarship. This would give kids a little spending $$, and the really poor ones could actually save it for flying back home, flying their mom into a game, etc. This works out to just over $200,000/year it would cost a university that had the maximum of 85 scholarship players, which is peanuts.

[mmbt0ne]

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I favor a stipend, something like $200/month for D1A players on scholarship. This would give kids a little spending $$, and the really poor ones could actually save it for flying back home, flying their mom into a game, etc. This works out to just over $200,000/year it would cost a university that had the maximum of 85 scholarship players, which is peanuts.

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What about non-scholarship players? Basketball players? Swimmers and divers? Runners? Baseball players? Tennis players? Softball players? Volleyball players? Cheerleaders? Band members?

[bernie]

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http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt=...o&type=lgns

no surprise with bush taking money, but what will NCAA do if anything

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The Pac-10 might/should do worse than the NCAA will. I mean, this is worse than the fruitbasket deal that screwed UW(billy joe hobert scandal).

Pac-10 had no problem making an example of the Huskies on that one. No sympathy from the northwest.

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